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715 7/31/2002 1:45:49 PM 7/31/2002 Charles R. Cravens craminc@juno.com 24 hour response line Thank You for the emergency phone service [Newell's 24/7 service hotline - editior]. I was broken down at Williams Detriot Diesel in Tucson Arizona. Willimas Detriot Diesel does not carry OEM parts. Two seperate breakers were worn out for the ignition system and the coach would shut down without a code. Paul was able to discuss possible solutions and they placed us on towards our vacation. I have ordered the replacements parts and will get them installed. Thank You for your kind and timely service.

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716 7/31/2002 1:50:22 PM 7/31/2002 Charles R. Cravens craminc@juno.com Generator Fumes We have recently experienced fumes from our Generator and was wondering where to start the search to solve this problem. We have had to replace the exhaust pipe do to road damage.Thank You

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717 8/1/2002 6:19:25 PM 8/2/2002 ken mccarlk@rogers.com brake light wire trying to locate the brake light wire, color or location , i am rewiring the back of the coach , it is a 40 1984

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720 8/3/2002 5:45:22 AM 8/3/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Use New Favorite or Bookmark If you use the Favorite or Bookmark feature of your Browser to get to the Newell TechTalk board, to view the latest version of the TechTalk Board, you will need to update your Favorite or Bookmark list. Go back to www.NewellCoach.com, click into the board from the web site, and add a new Favorite or Bookmark, then delete your old Favorite or Bookmark. The new address sorts the Board in a more user-friendly order. We had noticed that following a message thread was difficult, as the board sorted and displayed new replys to messages based upon the date of the original posting. The only way to see a new reply to an older message, or even know it was there, was to scroll back on the list to the page showing the original message post and clicking on the original. That meant sorting back through some 300 message subjects. The board now sorts by the date of the latest posting, whether it is a new message or a reply. All new replys, as well as new messages, will appear first at the top of the board.

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721 8/3/2002 5:56:42 AM 8/3/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Tech Talk Joe, sorry to hear that you are retiring from active motor homing. Through the years, we've enjoyed the company of you and Mary. However, don't hesitate to stop in at the factory anytime you're in the area. -Your Friends at Newell Coach

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723 8/4/2002 4:07:53 pm 8/5/2002 richard rafter r.rafter@worldnet.itt.com what is a joey bed? I am scanning newell for a good used 1999-200-1 unit and i continue to encouner "joey bed" as options.

what are they?

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724 8/5/2002 5:02:08 AM 8/5/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com WHAT IS A JOEY BED? A Joey Bed is the brand name of a slide-out platform or shallow drawer installed on the floor of a storage bay. These drawers allow easier loading and access for items stored in the bays. Newell has factory installed Joey beds and similar custom built drawers for over 20 years. They can easily be purchased and retrofit if a coach you find is not already so equipped.

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725 8/5/2002 5:17:13 AM 8/5/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Generator Fumes THIS IS A SAFETY HAZARD! You should not operate the generator until you identify and resolve this problem. In order for the front-mounted generator in a Newell to slide in and out without disconnecting the exhaust, the exhaust system incorporates a sliding or flexible joint. This component requires periodic inspection and occasional replacement and should be included in your Schedulede Maintenance. You mention that you replaced the exhaust pipe. Recently? You might check out these repairs and confirm that the new pipe is not leaking. It goes without saying that no exhaust fumes should be leaking from the exhaust pipe anywhere in the generator compartment or under the coach. Finally, you should check for oil or fuel leaks from the generator engine. Fluid leaking onto hot areas of the engine can create fumes, and fluid leaks create a fire hazard. A
727 8/6/2002 5:11:23 PM 8/6/2002 Scott P. slpeatross@aol.com Shorter length 80's vintage Newells Were Newell coaches made in lengths shorter than 40' during the eighties? I am interested in a used one, but have never located one. Do they exist?

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728 8/6/2002 6:29:19 PM 8/6/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Shorter length 80's vintage Newells Actually, from sometime in 1979 until through 1983, the longest Newells built actually were 38'6" (some 40s had been built through the mid-1970s). Forty foot coaches were built again starting in 1984, with longer than 40 footers beginning in 1989. As far as shorter than 40 coaches, there have been a few through the years, with more 37s, 38s, and 39s built than 35s or 36s. Since most of the chassis and interior components are shared between, say, a 35 and a 40 (or even a 45), there was not much of a price difference. For essentially the same money, most buyers opted for the longer coaches.

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729 8/11/2002 1:14:10 PM 8/13/2002 Bill Eriksen bill@apcx.net Trailer hitch Hi. In looking through all the specs and descriptions online, I did not see anything concerning a trailer hitch, so that I may tow a trailer for even more room or possibly a smaller vehicle for driving about at any particular destination. Can we get a trailer hitch? If so what capacity? Thank you.

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730 8/13/2002 6:50:48 PM 8/13/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Trailer hitch We're not exactly clear as to your question. All Newells going back at least 20 years have had 5000 lb. capacity trailer hitches installed as standard equipment. Is there no hitch on your coach? If so, what model year is it? Or perhaps, are you shopping for a Newell?

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731 8/13/2002 8:07:41 PM 8/14/2002 Bill Eriksen bill@apcx.net Trailer hitch I am anticipating purchasing a coach in the next year or so and I am starting my inquiries now so as to plan my purchase carefully. I see that in reviewing the Specifications list under Custom Coaches that the trailer hitch is mentioned in the fifth section entitled Standard Equipment. It was right in front of me all the time. However, the capacity is not stated. Do I understand your statement correctly that the 5000 lb. capacity of the trailer refers to it's carrying capability, not the gross trailer weight? If that is correct, this seems odd to me because my 3/4 pickup truck has that same towing capacity. I would think that a 45' Newell coach would be able to handle more. That would mean that I could not trailer my pickup truck behind my future Newell coach. Is there an optional hitch available that has more capacity? Also what is the tongue weight capability of the hitch? Thank you. Bill Eriksen

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732 8/13/2002 8:28:50 PM 8/14/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Electric Shock Plugged into a 3 prong extension cord, 120 volts to supply coach with electric for lights. Went to unlock lower compartment and noticed a slight flow of current through my sweaty little palm?

Now I know that a ground is missing somewhere, and I was furnishing the ground. Any suggestions on where to look for this missing ground?

Plugged into regular electric receptacle and this condition does not exist?
Any ideas or suggestions?

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733 8/14/2002 5:24:13 AM 8/14/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Trailer hitch Thanks for the clarification. The standard hitch is an "off-the-shelf" purchased component rated for towing 5000 lbs. and 500 lbs. tongue weight. Certainly, the coach is capable of towing much more weight, and customers often specify heavier hitches be installed during production or as a retrofit. Some of our NASCAR and IRL customers tow trailers in the 15,000 lb. range. Setting up a new or preowned Newell to tow your pickup is not a challenge.

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734 8/16/2002 7:26:48 AM 8/16/2002 Tommy Klie tommy@westcliffeinc.com Motor Oil I am inbetween a rock and a hard place. The oil pan is leaking on the Detroit Series 60. The repair personnel at the authorized Detroit Deisel was going to replace the oil with regular oil not Mobile Delvac 1. They stated that they are using just regualar motor oil on all Roadway truck the 1,000,000 miles. Question, why do you recommed Delvac 1 and does any one use regular motor oil in their coach???

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735 8/16/2002 10:49:24 AM 8/17/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Motor Oil As you point out, Newell recommends Mobil Delvac 1 synthetic motor oil. Delvac 1 has superior specifications and operational advantages over conventional mineral based oils. For example, Delvac 1 can operate at higher temperatures without damage to the oil (and engine) and also has less evaporative losses at high temperatures. The multi-viscosity characteristics are more stable, and therefore the oil retains virtually the entire viscosity range (5W-40) for the 15,000 mile recommended drain interval or longer, while conventional oils will experience "shear down," perhaps to, say, 5W-30 toward the end of the mileage range. Engineers tell us that dyno tests show engines running high quality synthetic oils produce 2 or 3 percent more power and get better fuel mileage versus engines running mineral base oils. That's why virtually all major leagure motorsports teams (NASCAR Winston Cup, CART, IRL, Formula 1) use synthetic oils in their race cars. That said, conventional oils that meet the Detroit Diesel specs, such as Chevron Delo 100 or Delo 400, will perform satisfactorily in a Series 60-powered Newell, with engines running as far as the million miles you mention. But we are convinced that the best motor oils (as well as gear oils, automatic transmission fluids, greases, etc.) are synthetic. Not mandatory, but recommended.

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737 8/16/2002 7:45:39 PM 8/17/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com Electric Shock First, I am not an electrician nor do I pretend to be one, but if my memory serves me right, the ground wire is a safety back up to the nuetral(common). RV's are somewhat unique in that the neutral and the ground do not share a common buss unless using the generator. In other words, when you plug into campground power, your two hots come in on the red and black and go back on the white (alternating/phased) and the green is a 'separate' safety backup in the event of a neutral failure or screwed up power supply. I think the key words in your question was that when plugged into a "regular receptacle" the condition no longer existed. Perhaps the extension cord or outlet you were using had a broken neutral and the current had to return via the green safety ground. If that was the case than your sweaty palm may well be a better conductor than the ground on the 3 prong extension cord. Bottom line- You need to follow up on the problem- if it was in the source ( I suspect it was), no problem, but if the problem is in your rig you need to have an electrician check it out as you may get a 'shocking' surprise the next time you put your key in the door.

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738 8/19/2002 8:57:03 AM 8/19/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Electric Shock Newell engineering suggests you check for reversed polarity. Perhaps the extension cord is mis-wired if this is the only time you experience the problem. Newells built since the early 80s have a red "polarity reveresed" warning light mounted near the house volt and amp gauges.

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740 8/21/2002 9:19:22 PM 8/22/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Electric Shock Thanks to everyone, it was in the extension cord, neutral was gone, so it was just searching for a path, checking all extension cords in the shop. I don't want to be a real shocker. Thanks, Kelly

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742 8/24/2002 7:01:42 AM 8/24/2002 Robert Wilson coyote_cutters@hotmail.com Airbags How Many is Enough? I drove a 1996 Newell coach and found the ride to be second to no one. What do you do to the suspesion to out do other companies like Roadmaster. I currently own a 2000 Monoco Winsor and find the ride getting more bumpy as the miles add up. I currently have 36,000 miles on this rig and find that it will shake itself apart in the near future! So a big consideration when buying a bus is diffinitely the suspension. As things go now the ride is about the only concern when considering a purchase.

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743 8/25/2002 4:33:19 PM 8/25/2002 Carl Jackson carlbjackson@att.net Twin to Queen Conversion Like another post about a year ago about moving from a queen to a twin bed configuration, we would like to go the other way. My wife and I have found a 1984 44-foot Newell we are seriously considering. Problem is that it has extra long twin beds installed now. What is the estimated amount of effort needed to swap out the twins for a queen? If it's possible, is it a big deal? Thanks for any and all help.

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744 8/25/2002 5:16:15 PM 8/25/2002 alex graham alex2839@charter.net inner pane cracking Rt rear window and Lt mid window both have developed cracked inner panes on the laminated windows. Has anyone else had this problem?

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745 8/25/2002 10:53:56 PM 8/26/2002 Herman hades7469@wmconnect.com 1971 Newell Windshield Also, looking for other replacement parts for a '71 Newell with a 391 Ford and 6 speed Allison trani.?

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746 8/26/2002 4:32:18 AM 8/26/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 1971 Newell Windshield Newell Coach Corp. has selected parts available for older vintage Newells, including windshields for most models. To check stock, contact Gary Streeter toll free at Newell, 1-888-3NEWELL.

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747 8/26/2002 8:18:34 PM 8/27/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Air Filter The air filter on a Newell 1980 with a Cat 250 with turbo charger, I can not determine when it was last changed? How often should they be changed? And could anyone give me a part number and name on the air filter.

Aslo, wher is a good place to aquire batteries for youe coach, and what do you ask for?

Do you need to schedule appointments at the factory for service work?

Thanking you in advance, Kelly

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748 8/27/2002 12:28:04 PM 8/27/2002 Robert Fritz robert@sky4me.com 45" ? This maybe is a strange question, but from what I know now the maximum length in most states is 40", but most Newell's produced are 45". Is it possible to get some kind of extra permit to drive the 45" trough all states ?

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749 8/28/2002 8:52:03 AM 8/28/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Air Filter Most of the Caterpillar 3208 engines we built had Donaldson air filters. There is no fixed interval to change filter cartridges. To determine whether the filter needs changing, remove the cartridge and inspect it. A "trouble light" is often helpful to determine how much material is on the filter element. The specific part number for ordering replacement cartridges should be stamped on the air filter cartridge. And, yes, it is best to schedule an appointment if you plan to visit the factory service department. The toll free number is 1-888-3NEWELL (1-888-363-9355).

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752 8/30/2002 9:29:31 AM 9/1/2002 John Leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net battery converter/charger Recently acquired 82 has bad house batteries. Before changing out all batteries as you recommend, would like to know cost effectiveness of upgrading convertor/charger system. Coach has a 70 amp TU 507-2 charger made by Triad. Also a Torado Gemini Model 50-128-3 device next to it. What does this do and how is it used? Who sells the newer float type chargers and what do they cost? Are chargers from Xantrex, Trace etc also inverters which apparently take 12V from the engine and it becomes 110V? Correct? Also are there any preferred batteries or are they all the same? Engine is a 6V92TA. Thanks.

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753 8/31/2002 7:43:08 PM 9/1/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Winter Operations We have just learned that we will be operating our 1980 Newell Coach during the Christmas Holidays on a trip to Texas, and returning to Arkansas. Now guys, you know how it is when you try to explain winter operations to your wife? We are relatively new to RV'ing, owned a travel trailer, but this is our first RV. This unit has heaters in the bays, and the water areas. I keep my unit hooked to shore power while at home. However, it is in a barn, non insulated, and we experience temp's in the mid teen's here in Northwest Arkansas. I am in urgent need of operational tips. Should I winterize and only be concerned about the days of the trip, or is there a way with the heaters (and other means) to be resonably assured that I will not freeze the coach up? I dread having to winterize twice.

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754 9/2/2002 6:06:47 AM 9/2/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com 45" ? Actually, the maximum length for a bus in most states is 45'. Rules vary from state to state as to driver's licenses requirements, but if you comply with the license requirements of your state, most states will recognize it. California has been the exception, but recently enacted legislation allowing 40'+ RV's on their interstates and major highway routes.

In my many years of RV'ing and criss crossing North America, I have found courtesy and consideration to be the key in staying out of trouble and having an enjoyable 'adventure'.

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755 9/2/2002 6:26:44 AM 9/2/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com Winter Operations Your 1980 Newell is a well insulated unit. I owned a '79 and spent a winter in Oklahoma City without winterizing the bus. Set your bay heaters at their minimum setting and keep the heat on inside your coach and you should have no problems. Be sure to check your engine and genset for proper anti-freeze protection. Be sure to check on your coach now and then, especially when the outside temperatures plummet, to insure shore power is still present, and that bay and the interior heat is still working. I have found keeping my water tank full and the water heater on acts as a heat reservoir when the outside temperatures plummet. I also recommend you leave the off engine heat on in the bay while traveling in below freezing temps. Good luck and enjoy!

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756 9/2/2002 7:37:37 AM 9/2/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com battery converter/charger I recommend you upgrade to a three stage charger/inverter (bulk-accept-float)and a good monitor/manager. Xantrex owns most of the inverter/charger market and have a number of web pages filled with information (heartinterface.com, Xantrex, Trace, statpower, etc. I prefer their Statpower inverter-charger combination, but it's a bit pricey and have found modified sine wave to be acceptable. I have tried various name brand and membership warehouse batteries with limited success. My favorite battery is Rolls/Surrrete and I regret the money I have thrown away on "cheap" batteries. Please trust me, when I say combination marine start/deep cycle batteries from your local Walmart, Sears, Autozone etc. don't cut it. A start battery is built entirely different than a deep cycle battery. On my Newell, I have two high cranking (960cca-Napa)) batteries whose only function is to start the engine. They are attached only to the starter, have their own charger system, and are totally isolated from the house system while parked. I also have a 4 battery 920 amp house bank (Surrette-L16 equivalent)capable of running anything in the coach. Once I accidentally left the a/c thermostat on (no shore power), and found the a/c running off the batteries when I returned an hour later. My energy manager showed I had a two hours hour left of battery capacity, but needless to say I shut the a/c down right away. Rolls/Surrette has an informative web page and be sure to check their bulletins for more information. I found the best price for Surrette batteries at www.dcbattery.com. A good inverter/charger system with reliable batteries starts around a $1000, while a top of the line inverter/charger, super high capacity battery bank and solar panels can approach $10,000. Looking back on the money I have wasted on batteries, I would have started with a really good set of house batteries and made sure they were totally isolated from the start batteries when charging and starting. Good luck

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757 9/2/2002 2:06:08 PM 9/2/2002 Joseph Jaggard joeandmary@cox.net Pre-Owned Newell Coach I have been scrolling through old messages and would like to add my two cents in favor of allowing older coaches to be advertised for sale. Since Newell does not handle older models it would be helpful to us who are trying to sell. Mine is an 84 40' 8v92ta.

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758 9/2/2002 2:26:03 PM 9/2/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Pre-Owned Newell Coach Joe has an interesting point. We'd like some feedback on posting "For Sale" messages on coaches, say, 10 years or more old. In other words, this year, we'd post For Sale notices on coaches up through 1992 models next year through 1993s, and so on.

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759 9/3/2002 10:52:26 AM 9/5/2002 Joseph Jaggard joeandmary@cox.net Pre-Owned Newell Coach great idea

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760 9/3/2002 2:07:45 PM 9/5/2002 David Carroll keywester@aol.com Pre-Owned Newell Coach I have no interest in selling my '87 but if my circumstances (such as health)changed I would really appreciate the opportunity to list the information at a site where most of the visitors have a common interest and knowledge. Standard features should not be listed though so as to avoid descriptions of great length. Year model and length might be enough.
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761 9/3/2002 3:05:29 PM 9/5/2002 Scott P. slpeatross@aol.com Pre-Owned Newell Coach I think postings for older Newells for sale is a great idea. Interestingly, I have asked a few questions on Tech Talk about older Newells and have received several emails from Newell owners who had more information for me or had older coaches for sale. All very nice people. I'm sure there are many other people like me struggling to find out more about the older Newell coaches and establishing a fair price for them. There are just too few Newells for sale to get an education from, it would be an excellent idea to get a data base of sorts going for prospective Newell owners.

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765 9/3/2002 5:55:01 PM 9/5/2002 Carl Jackson carlbjackson@att.net Tag Axle Paranoia!? Hello there

My wife and I will be full timing soon. We have done a ton of research on which vehicle to select and have decided finally on a Newell. We will have to start with a used model first and are now a little confused about tag axle versus non-tag axle models. Obviously (I think) the weight of the coach mandates whether a tag axle is needed.

However, I have run into some folks who maintain that either of two extremes is the 'best way to go.' One set of folks maintains that tag axles are over-rated and not worth the trouble, while others say tag axles are great for heavier coaches providing stability and weight carrying capacity.

We are looking at an '84 40 footer without a tag axle and the owner says no problems. But I notice that Newell makes 40 footers with tag axles too....

I am looking for the 'common wisdom' on justifying whether I need or don't need a tag axle. No big deal really, other than this search for tag axle knowledge has become a quest.

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766 9/4/2002 7:28:51 AM 9/5/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com Eating humble pie It is time to dine on Humble pie. It has come to my attention that I am not normal, in fact I am downright atypical. I love to dry camp. I love to attend fly-in's, car races, remote forest service and provencial campgrounds etc.. In many of these places generator operating hours are restricted or forbidden. I also love my computer, satellite TV, ice maker and chest freezer. I therefore require a power system far beyond what most 'normal' people would need. For those who prefer campgounds and resorts I recommend you stay with the current Newell setup of all 8D start batteries. For those of you with older unit's I recommend you upgrade to the Heart interface Echo charger currently being used by Newell. I also highly recommend a 2000+ inverter/charger for those units built without inverters. For those abnormal Newell owners like me, send me an E-mail and I will be glad to share my lessons learned and explain my setup. I am leaving for Las Vegas today (via the Newell factory) so my reponse may be delayed a few days depending on cell service.

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768 9/5/2002 1:21:08 PM 9/5/2002 Norah Brennan Nbrenora@cs.com carpet repacement to tile I would like to change some of my carpet to tile in my 1990 42 foot Newell. Has anyone done this? Is there anyone in Nevada South or North that you know of? Also need a rear panel on left side of coach that was removed at service stration. It is lowest one back side of Newell. I need someone who can put Newell back on front after my current paint job. Everyone is trying to guess what I have.

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769 9/5/2002 2:12:04 PM 9/5/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com battery converter/charger The Newell house/engine start 12-volt electrical systems have remained remarkably unchanged for over 20 years. With few exceptions, all coaches have been equipped with flooded cell 8D batteries for both the engine start and the house banks of batteries. It is recommended not to mix two different battery types on a single charging source. Wanting to avoid the need for separate charging systems for each battery bank, we selected a single battery type to use on both banks that is technically a starting battery, but performs remarkably well in what would be considered a deep cycle application. We have seen typical battery life of 3 to 5 years. Flooded cell 8D batteries are readily available across the country and are relatively inexpensive, often in the range of $120 to $150 each. Both the engine and house batteries are charged from the engine alternator while driving, and from the 120 volt charger (a converter/charger years ago or an inverter/charger in more recent years) when ac current is available, be it generator or shorepower. The Litton Triad converter/charger incorporated in the mid-1970s was the first good, reliable charger we found that allowed for continuous electrical hookup without boiling batteries. The combination inverter/chargers introduced in the mid-1980s were even better, originally with Heart Interface products and now the Statpower ProSine 3000 watt sine wave inverter/charger being original factory equipment today. (As has been mentioned on this thread, Heart, Trace, and Statpower have all merged into one company in recent years.) While we have had good reliability and performance with flooded cell 8D batteries, through the years we have consistently had problems when we tried sealed gel cell batteries. While they are Òmaintenance free,Ó gel batteries typically have a life of two years or less in our application, with some failing within a few weeks. Here, the definition of Òmaintenance freeÓ comes into play. We have also equipped a number of coaches in recent years on special order with absorbed glass mat (AGM) batteries, a modern technology that is maintenance free, appear to be reliable, and provides marginally more electrical storage capacity than flooded cell batteries. However, the AGM batteries are quite expensive at about $400 each and can be hard to find out in the hinderlands when replacements are needed. We recommend AGM batteries for customers expecting to do a considerable amount of dry camping, but believe that the old fashioned, inexpensive, and readily available wet cell 8D battery is a good solution for the majority of customers.

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770 9/6/2002 10:37:36 AM 9/7/2002 Dennis Bruce trishoreyachts@attcanada.net transmission replacement I was considering changing from a 4-speed to the newer 6-speed Allison World Transmission. I have an 87 coach with an 8V92 engine. Can it be done and do you think I would gain that much in coach speed? Right now I am max cruise at 65. I have also been told that the jake brake works better. Can you suggest any way to get more road speed out of the existing set up? For instance, what do you think is a max cruising rpm for this engine? Thank you.

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771 9/6/2002 8:43:43 PM 9/7/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Pre-Owned Newell Coach Likewise I agree on who cares as long as it's a Newell. I know I will upgrade in a couple of years, and will use the factory, and any other source, but we will purchase another Newell. We read every post and the education is wonderful for us.

Keep up the good work gentlemen,

Kelly

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772 9/6/2002 8:52:13 PM 9/7/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Tag Axle Paranoia!? We enjoy pulling up to the toll booth on the turnpikes, they count your axle's, you drive away saving a little change. If Newell sent it out with 2 axle's, I assure you you it does not need a third. Price buying 10 tires against 6 tires, another saving of pocket change.
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773 9/6/2002 8:55:21 PM 9/7/2002 Jim Weckman jweckman@hutchtel.net Winter Operations Some of the most enjoyable times traveling in our coach have been in the winter. We have been on extended trips were the temp has been well below zero, without problems. The only addition to the advice given, is that in very cold conditions we will open cabinet doors under sinks and behind the shower to allow warm air into plumbing areas. Be sure to run exhaust fans when using the shower or when cooking, this will reduce the condensation on the windshield and windows.

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774 9/6/2002 9:37:32 PM 9/7/2002 Jim Weckman jweckman@hutchtel.net Tag Axle Paranoia!? There probably is no "best way to go". We owned an 84 40' two axle coach, and now an 89 three axle. Both handle and drive well. The 84 was about 33,000#, and the 89 about 37,000#. The point being, the tag becomes required with added weight of the coach. On the plus side, the two axle coach will have more storage, and one less axle to maintain, not to mention two less tires to buy. I would suggest that you look at what your life style will be on the road,(how much stuff you need to have with you) drive the coach to a public scale and weigh it. Get weights for front and drive axle along with total weight. If what you need to live on the road will fit and will not over gross front or rear axles, you should have no problems.

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775 9/7/2002 8:38:58 AM 9/7/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com transmission replacement Retrofitting an Allison World Transmission to a coach delivered new with the HT741 4-speed transmission is mechanically not challenging but not cost effective. But it may be interesting to review this suggestion. A 1987 Newell was delivered new with the engine governed at 2100 rpm plus a 150 rpm over-run. With the standard axle ratio of 3.55/1, this would yeild a top speed of slightly over 80 mph. Therefore, the reported 65 mph top speed indicates something unusual that should be identified. Either the engine will not reach the recommended governed setting for some undetermined reason or the axle ratio has been changed. Regarding the retrofit of an Allison World Transmission, the primary benefit offered by extra two gear ranges offered by the new transmission is a lower rpm high gear for highway cruising. This does push the top speed to over 90 mph, although we suggest that this is not something the owner can often or should utilize. However, at a given cruising speed, say 65 mph, the engine turns perhaps 200 rpm slower than a coach equipped with a 4-speed Allison and 3.55/1 axle ratio. The 1st gear and high gear ratios of the World Transmission do not match the older 4-speed, with the World Transmission offering overdrive ratios in 5th and 6th gears, 0.74/1 and 0.64/1 respectively. Therefore, the axle ratio would require changing, another expense. To offer the proper balance between moving from a stop, acceleration, and cruising rpm, Newell uses a 4.30 axle ratio with the 4000MH World Transmission. The total cost of retrofitting the World Transmission and changing the axle ratio would probably exceed $20,000. This doesn't sound like a good deal to us. Also, regarding the jake brake, the major improvement we've seen is due to the Serie 60 engine. Aside from small differences due to gear ratios and the benefit of the World Transmission automatically downshifting for jake brake operation, we don't know of any differences in jake brake performance between the transmissions.

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776 9/8/2002 3:01:42 PM 9/8/2002 Dick Wells dickwells@classicnet.net Tag Axle Paranoia!? We owned an 89 Newell with two axles and were very happy with it. We liked the additional storage where the tag axle
would have been. Sold it thinking we would get into the new
body style - wound up buying an 89 with a tag axle but
thinking I would sooner have the two axle coach. As it turns
out I really like the tag axle. I think it rides better and sticks to the highway better than the two axle. It's a great coach & Newell does it right whichever you wind up with.

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778 9/10/2002 9:50:26 AM 9/11/2002 otto burleson bigdog1930@yahoo.com Tag Axle Paranoia!? For Staff: What is the approx difference - if any - of a 40ft 2 axle coach and that of a 3 axle coach - panic stop - 50 mph - dry payment.

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780 9/11/2002 1:37:27 PM 9/11/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Tag Axle Paranoia!? All else being equal, a three axle coach, with two more tires and two more brakes, will stop shorter than a two axle coach. However, it would require some carefully designed specific testing to try to quantify the difference, and the changes in brake and tire specifications through the years would probably make the difference not consistent from year to year.

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781 9/16/2002 9:13:02 AM 9/18/2002 John Leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net Overheating/engine smoke Took first outing of 150 mile one way distance in '82 with 6V92TA, mileage 133000. Ambient temp low 90's along GulF Coast. Doing about 70 mph noticed engine water temp close to 215 degrees. Slowed to 65 mph and temp went to about 212 degrees. Engine oil temp 225, trans oil temp 210, oil press 55. On starting engine next day got a big cloud of white smoke, cleared up in about one minute. It never did this before. Does this mean trouble?? Cleaned radiator as good as possible at campground, on return home ambient temp low 80's and rain, running 65 mph temps much lower, water temp 195, engine oil 202, trans oil 180 degrees, but oil press lower too at 45. Think there is 15/40 Rotella in engine, maybe oil press goes up with temp? From records looks like only 1000 miles on two year old oil. What should I change it out to? Does the white cloud on start up mean T-R-O-U-B-L-E?? Had to spell it out instead of saying the word! Thanks, look fwd to reply.

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782 9/17/2002 4:46:03 PM 9/18/2002 Bert Hunter coeinc@bellsouth.net Door Jaming I have a 1991 Coach. I have a question about two items that seem to give me fits on my coach!!! Can anyone help???
#1. When the right side of my coach sits in the sun too long my side entrance door jams and is almost impossible too open or close. It seems the door jam closes in on the door.
#2. When I back up my coach the front brakes grab and make the coach vibrate. I love my coach but these two things drive me crazy!!! Can someone help me with these questions???

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783 9/17/2002 7:03:33 PM 9/18/2002 Tuga Gaidry tuga@cajun.net GPS Systems - Factory Installed If you are interested in a less expensive system, I suggest a laptop computer and Microsoft's Streets & Trips software. It can be purchased for about $40, and a GPS receiver can be attached. I use Streets & Trips software without the GPS because it has a feature which enables the user to type in your current location (ex. corner of 4th and Elm St, Billings, MT; hit enter and bam there you are!) Try it, you'll love it.

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784 9/18/2002 8:14:19 AM 9/18/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Overheating/engine smoke If the temperatures you are reporting are correct, the engine is running too hot. We suggest you have a mechanic check the temperature with a mechanical gauge at the engine. If you can confirm that the radiator is indeed clean (looking through the radiator with a mechanic's trouble light shining through from the other side is a good technique), inspect the radiator for other damage, such as broken or bent fins. We suspect you may ultimately determine that the radiator needs to be rebuilt or replaced. FYI - the Newell parts department stocks rebuilt radiators for 92 Series powered coaches. The cost of a rebuilt radiator approximately $2000 plus about $250 crating and freight. To confirm availability and price, call 1-888-3NEWELL and ask for Gary Streeter; have the physical dimensions of the radiator in your coach. Also, you indicate that you think the coach engine is operating with 15/40 Rotella. This is not a suitable engine lubricating oil. The ONLY multi-viscosity oil that has proven satisfactory for 92 Series Detroits is Mobil Delva 1, a synthetic that may not be cost justified for a ten year old coach. If you prefer a mineral base oil, we recommend a premium quality SAE 40 straight weight oil meeting API CH-4 service category. Talk with a Detroit technician about the white smoke on start-up.

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785 9/18/2002 1:24:59 PM 9/19/2002 John Leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net Door Jaming Hi Burt, Had a similar problem with door on a
Barth. Both the sidewall and door expand in the sun due to heating up, so any gap between door and jamb is reduced accordingly. If sidewalls and door are a dark color it will soak up heat instead of reflecting it. Maybe some way to increase the gap on the side of the door but then you might need more weatherstripping in cold wx to seal the gap when everything contracts. Shading door with awning is passive no cost measure which might work sometimes. But more permanent and cost effective fix might be to reduce width of door by maybe eighth of inch. Good luck. John L

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786 9/18/2002 9:43:43 PM 9/19/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com GPS Systems - Factory Installed I use a Laptop mounted on a Jotto Desk which swivels between the coach commander and the driver. I use DeLorme Street Atlas USA with their tripmate GPS receiver, etc All the streets in the US and most points of interest are on one disk. It has trip routing and provides verbal instructions as you approach intersecting highways. It also has voice recognition and accepts commands such as, how far, how long until I get there, etc. Cost is $39 for Street Atlas and $120 for the GPS. They also sell a Topo program for $99 that contains all topo maps in the US along with 3D viewing of upcoming mountain passes, canyons along with downloadable satellite pictures. The system is very easy to use and works fantastic on the road. I love technology! I am sitting in an RV park in Ely Nevada using my laptop attached to my cell phone to write this E-mail.

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788 9/19/2002 8:44:10 AM 9/19/2002 Dave Copeland d_copeland@msn.com GPS Systems - Factory Installed I have both a laptop system running DeLorme's street atlas and the Alpine DVD. As pointed out, the laptop package is much less expensive and has greater street detail, but if I had to choose between the 2 the Alpine is superior and worth the money for the following reason:
The display is designed for driving - it is easily readable as you drive andgives you the information that you need as you drive. If you are approaching a complex intersection it will indicate ahead of time the lane you should be in and give you a good pictorial description of the various lanes and ramps. It can be installed so that you can see it easily and is much less intrusive than a laptop. I can drive across country or through NYC and feel very compfortable with the Alpine system. It is one of my most favorite options on my Newell.

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789 9/19/2002 12:30:41 PM 9/20/2002 Bill Sims BillSims@National-Insurance.Com Pre-Owned Newell Coach What a great suggestion from the staff. I have a 93 Newell and would only be selling or trading to get a newer model. This also might give the sales staff prospects for trade ins, rather that using a Wholesaler.

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790 9/20/2002 5:09:17 AM 9/20/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Door Jaming A quick way to free up a door jammed by the sun's heat: throw a glass of water anywhere on the joint between the door and the sidewall. Often, just a few ounces of water will free the door. The brakes are a tougher question. When the composition of brake linings is determined, a number of considerations come into play. If the linings are too hard, braking performance is lost and noise can be an issue. Linings that are too soft wear too quickly and can be too sensitive. In addition, brake linings can be properly balanced for performance during forward movement, but it is very common for heavy vehicles to have some brake noise and shudder in reverse. To further confuse the issue, different vehicles with the same brake and lining specifications can exhibit different noise characteristics. If you want to try to eliminate the noise and shudder, you might sand the linings or, if this doesn't work, reline the brakes.

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791 9/23/2002 12:32:07 PM 9/28/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Overheating/engine smoke After some further research, we learned that rebuilt radiators for 1982 models are not currently available. Another option if the radiator is in good enough condition, and probably less expensive, would be to have a radiator shop recore your unit. Finally, a new radiator is available on special order at a cost of $2380 plus packing and freight.

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792 9/23/2002 7:24:33 PM 9/28/2002 John Leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net Shocks for a '78 To John Clark and/or Harry Wuner, ref 9 month old msg about shocks. Have '82 36 foot with 6V92TA. Pls advise where can obtain Koni shocks and the part number. Thank you.

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793 9/24/2002 10:19:35 PM 9/28/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com Overheating/engine smoke Sorry to hear about your troubles. Normal operating temperatures for the 92 series engine are; water- 170 to 195 with 210 max and 215 engine shutdown and engine oil 200 to 250. I whole heartedly agree with the Newell tech staff except for their CH-4 recommendation. Detroit Diesel recommends a two stroke oil for their 92 series and I have had good luck with Chevron Delo 100 40 wt. and Shell Rotella wt. Both oils meet the DD two stroke requirements with the delo 100 having a better/lower ash content. As to the white smoke; generally speaking, at normal operating temps (160+): White smoke = misfiring cylinders($) or a bypass blower valve is stuck open. Blue smoke = lubricating oil being burned (worn rings, turbo bearings etc.) Black or gray = incomplete fuel combustion (restricted air filter or muffler, lugging the engine, defective throttle delay, high altitude, restricted liner ports, improper injector timing, jack rabbit starts etc.) One quick way to check the health of a 92 series is to let it sit overnight (cold soak for 24 hours at an OAT of +40 farenheit) and then have someone start it while you watch the exhaust. It should stop smoking in a couple of seconds, the quicker the better. Also be advised it takes a lot washing and work to get 'most' of the old oil and trash out of a rear mounted Newell radiator (they aren't kidding about using a drop light). If the radiator fins are clean, your temperature gauge is accurate, the thermostat is good, your pressure cap is working, the hoses are not restricted, your belts are tight, the water pump is ok, and you performed a first rate cooling system flush and your temps still remain high, it's probably time to pull the radiator. I recommend taking the radiator to an industrial radiator shop capable of submerging the entire radiator in a 'hot' tank, followed by a flow and pressure test. If you need to replace it, get a bigger core while you are at it. If you want to remove it yourself,e-mail me and I will explain how my wife and I recently did it using the air leveling system, FRS radios and landscape timbers ( I lost a fuel line in Sallisaw OK, and no one had the time, space or knowledge to quickly repair it). I also highly recommend you install some hardware cloth between the frame to keep errant stones being picked up by the fan and propelled into the radiator fins.

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794 9/25/2002 3:13:20 PM 9/28/2002 Bill Stuart carybailey@msn.com 1974 Newell Coach 33' looking for R140 or 145 rearend bearing hub (509)468-6782 Feel free to call collect or leave a message and we will return your call.

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796 9/28/2002 5:16:38 AM 9/28/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 1974 Newell Coach 33' looking for R140 or 145 rearend bearing hub The Newell parts department (1-888-3NEWELL) can still special order this item. However, our vendor no longer stocks this piece, so a long lead time, and the cost may not be consistent with a "20-something" year old coach. We wish you good luck in finding a "used piece" in good condition.

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797 9/28/2002 5:28:32 AM 9/28/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Preowned Newells, through 1992 In response to recent requests, TechTalk will post basic, short "for sale" messages for preowned Newells 1992 and older. Click on this thread so that all for sale messages will display in one location. We will leave the messages on the board for the longer of 60 days or until we are advised by the owner to remove. Please use the following format:

Year, Length, Price, Phone number.

Further descriptions can be done by email and telephone between interested parties. We request that dealer listings be so identified.

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799 9/29/2002 6:41:24 AM 9/29/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Brake Noise In Reverse The message thread, "Door Jaming," contained some comments about brake noise and shudder while backing up. This is a common condition for Newells and other heavy vehicles equipped with Rockwell/Meritor drum brakes on the steer axle. The Newell service department adds their comments to this issue, as follows: The brakes on the front side of the wheel are located on a cam and are held in position with a spring. When the brakes are applied in reverse, the cam rotates slightly, pulls the shoes up, and the brakes chatter, sometimes loudly. However, this is a normal condition and not a defect which can be corrected.

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800 10/2/2002 3:14:54 PM 10/3/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Overheating/engine smoke After all the talk about smoke, I have to ask the question.
80 model, 3208 Cat engine, I always start and let the engine idle for 10 to 20 min. before putting the unit in motion. On first application of full power, I always get a little smoke (white) which diminshes, and after first 1/2 mile goes away? Water temp running at 65-70 165-200 degrees, depending on grade. Please tell me this is normal

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801 10/2/2002 3:41:50 PM 10/3/2002 William O. Meyers meyerswo@psns.navy.mil Pre-Owned Newell Coach The only way I can purchase my dream (1989 Newell) is by selling my baby: 1968 30' $50K firm 360-792-1784, Thanks!

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802 10/2/2002 4:09:13 PM 10/3/2002 Norah Brennan Nbrenora@cs.com carpet repacement to tile Please cancel my question regarding carpet replacement to tile, seems like no one has done it, so I will just ask a tile setter or carpet layer the questions. Thanks for this message board for Newell owners, it is wonderful.

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803 10/2/2002 7:43:52 PM 10/3/2002 Steve Saraga s.saraga@att.net Synthetic oil's in the 8V92 First, I must admit to not being a Newell owner.

Yes, I'm sorry, I own a product built in Fort Valley, Georgia.

My coach is a 1988 with a 475 hp, 8V92 DDECI engine.

I have questions concerning synthetic oil's. I currently use Sheaffer synthetic "blend" 40 wt in my engine. I just was informed it was a blend, and not pure synthetic. I am now about due for an oil change, and was considering Mobil 1 40wt, or the Delvac 1.

I have 129,000 miles total, and approx. 40,000 on the Sheaffer oil.

Anbody have some thoughts for a "different" brand coach owner?

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804 10/2/2002 9:51:15 PM 10/3/2002 Larry Kosta larry-deekosta@cox .net GPS Systems - Factory Installed Tell me about the Jotto Desk, how does it mount? Where to get one? Thanks
Larry

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806 10/3/2002 9:46:41 PM 10/4/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com GPS Systems - Factory Installed The Jotto desk is very similiar to what they use in police cars for mounting lap tops. The RV model is much taller and has a small floor mount it slips on to. The platform is adjustable up & down, left & right, tilt etc. I installed two mounts so I can use the lap top beside my easy chair. Call Delorme at 800 511 2459 for more info. Be sure to insist on the tall (RV) stand. Also check on their new street atlas 2003, it is dynamite.