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Richard and Rhonda
12-10-2007, 12:43 PM
I am posting an incredibly informative reply I got from a headlight guru. I thought it was good reference material.

My headlamps don't provide enough light on low beam for safe driving at night, so I am going to upgrade them. I am not advertising for this guy, but he may be a great resource if you decide to undertake a project like this. I will post later on my outcome.

The email:

Those are indeed '87-'91 Ford F-series truck headlamps. They use the 9004
> bulb and optical system. The 9004 system itself is optical trash. This
> was Ford's "Better Idea" (remember that ad campaign?) for 1983, and the
> design priorities were cosmetics (aero headlamps instead of sealed beams)
> and low production cost. 9004 headlamps, even with the least-bad bulbs fed
> by proper wiring, will always produce dim, poorly-focused, narrow beams
> with very little light on the road surface and very high levels of upward
> stray light that cause backdazzle in rain, fog, and snow.
>
> There are no well-made overwattage 9004 bulbs, only poorly-made ones from
> the 3rd world, with very sloppy filament placement. Tiny differences in
> filament placement make huge differences in beam focus and performance,
> see attached. The extra light some of these higher-wattage bulbs produce
> is pretty much all wasted: Extra glare and flare light, no extra seeing
> light. And, the stock wiring is inadequate for the extra current drawn by
> these bulbs; using them throws a severe strain on the wiring and switches.
> In most(!) cases you won't have a big spectacular fire or anything, but
> you won't be doing your electrical system any favors, and the damage is
> cumulative to the point of expensive failure. Overwattage 9004 bulbs are
> NOT the way to better seeing.
>
> If you are just trying to make the existing lamps marginally less dim, you
> can put in a relay kit RIK-HB1 and a pair of the least-worst-available
> 9004 bulbs. Those are the GE Night Hawk 9004NH and the Philips VisionPlus
> 9004VP. I don't presently stock either bulb, but a web search should turn
> up a retailer for you. Avoid Sylvania Silverstar/Ultra, Wagner TruView,
> PIAA, Hoen, and all other brands of blue-glass "extra white" or "xenon
> matching" bulbs. They are a scam; despite the advertising hype, they
> significantly reduce headlamp performance rather than increasing it.
>
> If you're trying for a material safety performance improvement via
> significantly better seeing with wider and longer beam reach and reduced
> backglare in bad weather, we will need to look at better-engineered
> headlamp assemblies.
>
> On the internet, you'll find a pile of suggested modifications and
> "upgrades" that are mostly ignorant and ill-advised. Changing to a 9007
> bulb in a headlamp designed for 9004 bulbs makes things considerably
> worse, not better, because now not only have you got a very
> poorly-designed optical system, but you've got a bulb other than what the
> optics are designed for. Kind of like putting somebody else's eyeglasses
> on...they might look OK on your face, but you won't see properly. This
> bulb swap results in greatly increased glare to other road users and
> backscatter in rain, fog, or snow. Please don't do it. And "HID kits" are
> unsafe and illegal, see
> Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html)
>
> Now...how to do it all right? Well, there's some money that needs
> spending, and a bit of a wait for special-order lamps to come in, but the
> fact is, there are very well made glass-and-metal headlamps available to
> fit your RV. They were factory installed on '87-'91 Ford F-series trucks
> originally sold in export markets with headlamp standards significantly
> more stringent than the US standards. Low and high beam are considerably
> better focused. Low beam is much wider, more even, and longer-reaching,
> while at the same time there's much less glare to other drivers and the
> backdazzle in rain, fog, and snow is totally eliminated. High beam is wide
> and even with considerably greater distance reach. And because the lenses
> are glass, they will never cloud-up and turn yellow like the original
> plastic lenses. Anti-rock guard material is available to prevent the lamps
> cracking or getting sandblasted. A relay kit will be called for, to bring
> full power to the lamps -- see
> Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/relays/relays.html) -- and if you
> want a daytime running light function, that's doable, too.
>
> As I say, these are special-order lamps. They cost around $156/ea. I do
> have one left-side lamp on the shelf from a factory mixup the last time we
> ordered in a set of these (factory sent two lefts instead of a right and a
> left).
>
> If I were trying to set up a vehicle like yours for really good nighttime
> seeing, I'd replace all four of those cheesy plastic Ford headlights with
> the good glass and metal units. I'd put in a relay package RIK-H4R4, $66.
> The RIK is not a harness, but a _parts kit_ containing all relays,
> brackets, terminal blocks, terminals, plugs, sockets, fuses and
> fuseholders. You supply your own wire and use the parts from the kit to
> build up your own wiring harness. Parts are specially made premium-grade
> items (e.g. ceramic headlamp sockets) that accept large-gauge wire; this
> is not the "consumer grade" junk you can find at the parts store. You will
> need to run some new wires, but you will _not_ need not cut or otherwise
> disturb any of the vehicle's original wires.
>
> There are various good options for bulb selection. I would probably not
> run the same bulbs in all four lamps. In the outboard units, I'd run Osram
> ultra high efficacy bulbs, either 70/65w or 85/80w. In the inboard units,
> I'd run Narva 100/55w bulbs with re-usable selective-yellow clip-on
> balloons. All four high beams would come on when you select the high beam
> mode. I'd probably put a switch in the line to the inboard low beams; they
> would serve as vastly more effective fog lamps than you have now (assuming
> you have any right now). Of course, all four lamps would need to be
> carefully and correctly aimed, per
> Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html) .
>
> If you are interested in having a daytime running light function on your
> vehicle, the best implementation is the full-time operation of the front
> directional signals (except, of course, when they are operating as signals).
> Directional signals produce a light distribution with a wide conspicuity
> angle, are generally well located for DRL service at the outboard edges of
> the front of the vehicle, consume considerably less power than any
> headlamp-based DRL implementation, use light sources of generally much
> longer life than any headlamp bulb, do not encourage improper nighttime use
> of lights, and do not require additional lighting devices to be added. Most
> recent Cadillacs, Chevrolet/GMC large vans and minivans, some Toyota and
> Lexus models, certain new Lincolns and assorted other vehicles use this
> implementation. Note we are talking about the full-time operation of the
> bright amber turn signals, not the dim parking lamps. You can easily enable
> this functionality in your vehicle using a DRL-1 module ($42 here, see
> DRL-1 Daytime Running Lamp Module Installation (http://dastern.torque.net/Mods/DRL/DRL1.html) )
>
> So...give this all some thought, and come back with whatever questions you
> might have.
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encantotom
12-10-2007, 02:06 PM
Wow, that is incredibly detailed. it amazes me that there is an expert for everything.

wow, that is a lot of money as well. i have noticed when i did a lot of night driving that the lights were terrible.

now i have to decide if that is something i want to spend that much bucks on.

thanks for posting this!

tom

Richard and Rhonda
12-10-2007, 02:15 PM
Stay tuned. I am choking on the moolah too. I am looking at other cheaper alternatives. The biggest cost driver is the headlamps are special order. I am looking into cheaper, but equivalent quality alternatives that would require me to fab some bodywork and mounting for either a smaller headlight or projector style headlamp.

fulltiming
12-11-2007, 05:04 AM
I second the great information comment. I added relays to the headlights on my Newell after the high current loading burned out the dimmer switch. My lights were originally wired with all four low beams coming on when set to low and all four high beams coming on when set to high (and all of the current going through the switch and the dimmer switch). I also disconnected the inner two low beams so others don't 'assume' I have my bright lights on because they see four headlights. I can't really say that having four of the stock low beams is that much better than just having two.

Keep us posted on your search. If it helps, there might be interest in a 'volume' price if several of use agreed to purchase new headlights.

Or for $10,000 you can have Newell change out your front cap for a 2000+ series front cap with the small round headlights. :lol:

hlfdzn
12-30-2007, 02:59 PM
When I picked up our coach, Sam said that there were two areas that were lacking in the 90's era coaches, headlights and defrosters. He was accurate on both accounts. These lights are severely lacking on clear nights, and much more so during inclimate weather.

Driving on the ALCAN, I was fearful of driving during anything less than daylight for fear of hitting wildlife or encountering some other road hazard. The Yukon/BC border area has roaming buffalo, hitting one of those would really ruin a trip.

I agree with Michael & Tom about the great information you've given us. Thank you!

After checking on the glass replacements mentioned above, I've found that his prices aren't that far off. If anyone proceeds with Mr. Sterns recommendations or some other idea, please let us know if the lighting is indeed substantially improved. Like Michael, I'm also interested in the possibilities of a group purchase.

Paul
'93 Newell 45' #320

encantotom
12-30-2007, 06:31 PM
if they are european headlights, i am going to be in england and ireland on business in a week. if i had part numbers and what they are off of, i could do some quick looking while i am there.

tom

Richard and Rhonda
12-31-2007, 02:08 PM
I am going to source the lights from Mr. Stern. To save a few bucks I am just going to do the low beams, and and put low beam/ high beam lamps in the Euro reflectors. I will post as soon as I get them and install them.

hlfdzn
12-31-2007, 04:11 PM
What kind of delivery time have you been quoted?

Happy New Year!

Paul
'93 45' #320

encantotom
01-01-2008, 01:02 AM
BTW, i have the dash totally exposed and i noticed some of my defroster hoses were glued on and had come off underneath. probably why my defrost isnt working very well.

tom

hlfdzn
02-23-2008, 01:47 PM
Hello Richard,

I'm curious to know if you've any update to your lighting endeavor? A big question is delivery time.

Richard and Rhonda
02-24-2008, 02:50 PM
Here's an update. I have not obtained the lights from Mr. Stern at this time. After two months of trying he has not provided me a quote. He did say two weeks ago that he had a nasty bout of the flu. I am going to wait until the 1st of March before I go in a different direction.

I'll let you know what I do.

It seemed the most straightforward path was to buy the Euro glass and put in relays. But if Stern doesn't come through, I am going to buy some Euro projector lamps, and install them by fabricating a plate to replace those two huge lamps currently in there.

hlfdzn
02-24-2008, 07:05 PM
Thanks for the update Richard. Please let us know what you come up with.

Tom, did you have any luck while on your trip with sourcing any glass lights?

As we prepare to leave back for Alaska next month, I'm trying to find some alternatives that will allow us to have maximum lighting while on the Alaska Hwy. I do have some Hella 8" driving lights and am thinking about mounting them, but the question is where? I've seen some thin driving lights mounted under the generator slide on Newells before, but didn't believe it would give me the kind of wattage I'm looking for. I'm toying with installing some kind of flat mount under the generator lip that would stick out far enough for the lights to be mounted... Any one have other ideas? If it's a big enough mount, I'm toying with mounting more than one set of lights to include some fog/wide angle lights.

ikcandco
02-24-2008, 07:36 PM
- Fabricate a plate . . .

- Please 'You 'All . . . Forgive me . . .' :oops:
- - - This 'Idea, Terms and Wording Might be T-A-B-O-O . . . but here it goes . . . :mrgreen:

- A Little Something About Co$t :
- - - If you want to fabricate a plate, with round headlights assemblies similar to the 2000 series,
perhaps this idea could be a starting point. :idea:

- The 'Prevost XLII' series has round 'HIGH INTENSITY XENON HEADLIGHTS.'

- Because 300 to 500 'XLII Series' units are produced or so per year, the assemblies might (should)
be lest expensive than others.

- The L:roll::roll:s :
- - - XLII front with its 'High Intensity Xenon Headlights' CLICK HERE (http://www.prevostcar.com/DB/gallery/2004XLIIBusShell3_1l.jpg)

- - - American Carriage XLII front with its 'High Intensity Xenon Headlights' CLICK HERE (http://www.americancarriage.com/0416%20Front%20Grill.jpg)

- - - Another American Carriage XLII front with its 'High Intensity Xenon Headlights' CLICK HERE (http://www.americancarriage.com/0518%20GRILL.jpg)

- - - 'Newmar Mountain Aire ' has also something similar to Newell Round Headlights CLICK HERE (http://images.traderonline.com//img/3/dealer/2203166/89674207_1thumb_550x410.jpg)

- This is a starting point, cost wise ? !
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May God Bless
KC ~ 1999p1 What's this?

ikcandco
02-24-2008, 09:48 PM
- Fabricate a plate . . . Before looking further ;

- My upper post might be extreme (High Grade Lighting Source) :shock: So for starts ;
- - - Did someone get the cost at Newell for the 2 Headlights Assemblies from a 2000 series ?

- - - Does Newell offer something similar to the 2000 series but only the assemblies without
installation ?

- - - Is-it worthwhile for someone to make a mold off a 2000 series but only the bottom part
depending on model year. For model year with the 'Lower Headlights' the fiberglass piece
could be cut at the upper line above the headlights and Newell has a stainless trim that could
hide the joint between the hold and new part without going to far in paint details (see photo)

- - - I'm surprise that Newell doesn't offer only that bottom part as a part package 'Kit' and for
certain the cost would be well under the $10.000 mentioned above. - Perhaps Newell or an as-
sociate could offer a certain package. Are there enough 'Prospects/Clients ?'

» » » » » » http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/3782/2000newellfrontll2.jpg
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May God Bless
KC ~ 1999p2 What's this?

fulltiming
02-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Since the front cap is one piece, anything short of replacing the entire cap or using headlights that are nearly identical in size and shape to the factory units would require custom body work and paint.

I understand that there is a company, I believe in Yuma, AZ, that does custom body work on 1996-2000 (approx) Foretravels that used the identical Ford headlights. They remove the lights, fill in the openings with fiberglass and install the small round lights. It would be interesting to find out if they or Newell would make a similar modification at a cost-effective price.

ikcandco
02-25-2008, 03:48 AM
- Initially called for : Fabricate a plate . . .
- - - I then posted something possible and an all in one part (X 2)
- - - - - - The 'Prevost Assembly Lights' are High Tech Lighting and for sure the cost for these as-
semblies are certainly quite costly. Because they have quite a number of provost on the road, the
price of these assemblies are certainly lest expensive than something similar on the market and I
really don’t know if something can come close
»»»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««~»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««««
- Now how to fix the 'Light Assembly' in a fix front and guessing the position, alignment, finishing
touch and so on ? Never saw something like that ! Guess never will !

- I did a lot of fiberglass work in my time and time hasn't changed ! . . A little bit easier, that's all !

- Never the hole front cap otherwise buy a newer coach !

- I would at anytime make a mold off the bottom of a 2000 series and have the openings, the posi-
tion and alignment fitting perfectly as a 2000 series and all components assembled on a workbench.

- If the interest is worthwhile, Newell would certainly have to look closer and see if their glass de-
partment or a supplier could manufacture the components as a kit form or perhaps assemble them,
a kind of plug & play, at a fairly reasonable price . . . the molds are standing.

- The finish part from the mold would fit all older Newells. If for one reason you've got to widen or
shrink, makes no difference slash the part in 2 or 4 and reassemble, in no time the job is done and
all inclusive.

- Light assemblies having the same part numbers as the 2000 series.

- If a Newell has its face smash it's usually the bottom part, they don't change the complete front
cap ! Newell has certainly parts or parts in their catalogue.

- One way or the other, you still have to 'Paint.' I would rather paint a complete new surface and
blend (if fairly new paint) or have a type of ornamental painted line between the old and new paint.
»»»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««~»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««««
- That's it, this job is completed !
- - - "Here's your total . . . Sir, your invoice, Sir . . . HEY MISTER ! . . HERE'S YOUR BILL ! ! ! . . ."
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May God Bless
KC ~ 1999p2 What's this?

ikcandco
03-03-2008, 08:26 PM
» » » » » » » » HERE'S A '1998 NEWELL'
» » » » » » » » » » » » » » » » WITH A NEW '2005 FRONT CAP'
»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
_http://www.heartlandbus.com/Pics/1432/11580.JPG
>»«< The Seller states the front cap change was done @ 'Newell Coach'.
»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
» » » » » » » » When does an Newell Owner change a front cap ?
>»«< 1- If involve in a crash with front end damage or so (if your planning to buy a 'Newell with a new
front cap, better check where the coach came from) ;
>»«< or :
>»«< 2- If the owner wants to keep is coach for a while ;
>»«< or :
>»«< 3- When his cardiologist says : "Your 'heart can't take' all the excitement of having a 'Brand New
Newell !" (and this could also be a cheap line to reveal to your neighbors for having an older coach !) ;
>»«< or :
>»«< 4- When his bank manager (could be short for 'wife') says : "You've got '20k to play with !"
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May God Bless
KC ~ 136c What's this?

hlfdzn
03-08-2008, 01:08 PM
While I would love to have Newell slap on a new front, my pocket book won't allow that expense at this time.

Richard have you had any luck on finding a fabricator?

I found this place down in your neck of the woods that does them http://www.xtremegraphics.net/headlight.html but haven't contacted them on pricing yet.

Michael do you have any links for the place in Yuma that you mentioned?

fulltiming
03-08-2008, 02:07 PM
Paul, sorry about not posting that information. I had been corresponding with Richard off board and had told him that I was mistaken about the location of the facility that does the headlight conversions. It was in fact XtremeGraphics, the same one you have located in Nachogdoches, TX near the Foretravel plant. The person that told me about the company lived in Yuma, AZ and I was thinking he had said it was local but he meant local to the Foretravel facility.

One of the coaches they have converted belongs to a contributor to another site I am involved with and he was extremely pleased with their work.

hlfdzn
03-08-2008, 02:43 PM
Hello Michael,

No apologies needed on getting back to us, as it is, your contributions are greatly appreciated.

BTW, did your contact mention the cost?

fulltiming
03-08-2008, 04:45 PM
I talked to Paul. His coach is featured on Xtreme Graphics website, CLICK HERE (http://www.xtremegraphics.net/smith.html).

He had a full make over done on his. Paul didn't know about Newell headlight conversions but thought for Foretravels it was about $3k. He suggested contacting James Stallings, james@xtremegraphics.net.

Richard and Rhonda
03-09-2008, 12:42 AM
Well low and behold the UPS man brought headlights and all kinds of electrical goodies Friday. I hope to get one installed on Sunday.

Stay tuned.

Erika
03-09-2008, 01:29 AM
Richard and Rhonda, looking forward to seeing how your upgrade turns out.

I have had a bit of experience in the automotive lighting and have been hesitant to jump in on this subject. I used to be a supplier and manufacture down in Southern California to the auto industry. If I chose too, I could actually have a complete front cap produced for the (diy) including projector lights. We used to manufacture a lot of different body conversion kits for cars and trucks. I was planning on doing something in the future once I move up to a smooth sided Newell. I have entertained the thought of doing it to my current coach, but since I'm not keeping it much longer, I would be throwing my time and money away.


Ken
Administator :D

fulltiming
03-09-2008, 03:31 AM
Richard, I am waiting with baited breath to hear!! Ken, if these lights don't pan out, we may need to talk.

Erika
03-11-2008, 06:16 AM
Michael, hopefully Richard and Rhonda are seeing brighter sometime soon. It sounds as if quite a few early to mid nineties owners are waiting in anticipation of their result.

If there ends up being enough interest on the thought of my previous statement, I'll do some sourcing. My experience is at the manufacturer and distributing levels.

Ken

hlfdzn
03-11-2008, 08:35 AM
Ken, I'm very interested in other alternatives. Although the replacement light should be better, I'm sure there is better technology out there. Projector lamps would be great, but I'm not sure about a full front end cap but something that would be limited to the actual light area or so.

Richard and Rhonda
03-11-2008, 01:14 PM
Hi Paul,

I had this very discussion with Stern. I was having a heck of an internal debate over projector vs direct replacement of the Ford headlamps.

I work for Alcon, doing research and development on Intraocular lenses, the ones that go inside your eye after cataract surgery, so he and I went into some pretty esoteric discussion of optical design, and the merits of each alternative. In the end it came down to this for me, your decision may be different. The great big Ford jobs are a curse and a blessing. A curse because the Euro replacement is rare, but a blessing because you have so much area for the reflector. If the reflector is of a quality design, and the originals are junk, then you get a great beam. Stern said, as good as most of the projector lamps out there. So given that direct replacements vs. projector was not going to result in a material gain in light quality, the decision for me then turned to the aesthetics. Was the upgraded look worth having to modify the front cap. For me it wasn't .

All told I'll probably have about 500 in the replacement. Projectors would cost about as much, but involve a some fiberglas and paint work. I played with the idea of mounting the projectors in some kind of painted or polished plate where the existing lights are. I just couldn't imagine a look with those small projectors that fit with the big squared off design cues on the coach.

We haven't discussed the high buck option. HID. The lamps and ballast for a HID setup is going to give you spectacular light. The lamps and ballast would cost around 2000 for both high and low beam. Plus, it would require the front cap modification.

So where am I? I pulled wires this weekend. I have to make a mounting board for the relays, so I should be able to test this setup on the coming weekend. Stern only had a left lamp in stock, so I am going to install one first. That's a good news bad news. The bad is I want to get it finished. The good is that it will give a A B comparison between the Euro lamp and the stock one.

I am leaving the original wiring intact. That way if I crack a lens in Bumfuzzle, Montana I can pop in a Ford replacement quickly.

I am not dissing your post to Ken about exploring the options. I just wanted to post a little more information for you to factor into your thoughts. I'll be the first to say that what is right for me, may not be what you would choose at all.

hlfdzn
03-11-2008, 02:00 PM
Hello Richard,

No offense taken. That's the wonderful thing about this forum, each of us may come at something from a difference perspective based upon our experience and objectives. The end result is a better understanding and (hopefully) product. I continue to be amazed at the different backgrounds that are represented on this forum and even greater in the Newell ownership. This is a fact that Newell themselves take advantage of in implementing new mods to their coachs. So please continue to share your perspective. I certainly don't have your training or experience in the optics arena and enjoy increasing my understanding.

On the lighting issue. After the increased lighting itself, the next issue for me is to have something that's easily replaced. There is no guarantee that the Euro lights will be easily accessible in the near future. It's taken you a bit of time just to get one lamp. While I may not be in Bumfuzzle, Montana :-), I'll certainly be in Rancheria, Yukon, CA and want to be able to carry replacements that will work and can be easily installed for either side. Also, one of my greatest concerns is the low proximity of the present lights. I know that Mr. Stern mentined lexan covers (or something like that) but the Alaska Highway roads in winter have quite a bit of gravel on them and I've had lights taken out on other vehicles despite rock guards on previous trips.

In the short term, I've thought of installing some kind of light bar up front and then mounting the various desired lighting. This may not be the "look" some want for their coach, but it is an option with many variables at a minimal cost and also minimal disruption.

I'm very excited to see what Ken may be able to offer as an alternative.

HID lights...now that would offer distintive lighting and a certain wow factor.

Richard and Rhonda
03-13-2008, 01:18 PM
Well my little project is getting more interesting. Ole Daniel Stern is a pretty clever guy. In the DIY kit, he sent some plugs that looked like the existing plugs for the lamps. I didn't look at them too closely because I wasn't planning on using them. In a correspondence last night, he told me what the were for. D'oh, they are male plugs that match the female plugs already wired into the coach for the existing lights.

Now couple that bit of info with the fact I discovered that the good engineers at Newell already ran 12G wire to the headlights, and the installeation just got a LOT simpler. All I have to do now is make a quick harness to adapt the male headlight plug to the Euro style (ten minutes), and wire in relays at the panel in the passenger kick panel.

He is refiguring the cost of the lamps, so this is getting more attractive by the day. I WILL have (by golly, if work would just calm down) have the headlight wired in and test by this weekend.

fulltiming
03-13-2008, 05:19 PM
Keep up the good work Richard. We are waiting in anticipation of your results.

Erika
03-14-2008, 12:56 AM
Sounds like good progress and hopefully a great result. If it works out for you, could be a reasonable $ fix.

If I already owned the same vintage of coach, I would have been getting very creative myself with this type of upgrade. Something I would like to note for those Newell Coach owners whom have these type of headlights that are plastic, if they are becoming yellowed, you can usually increase the performance by polishing away the yellow on the lense. I have done this over the years to several plastic headlights by using a good buffer and some 3M heavy duty compound. It only takes a couple of minutes to perform. A lot of people will replace composite headlight assy. due to the yellowing.

Ken :)

Richard and Rhonda
03-18-2008, 03:35 AM
Ok, here is a partial update. Stern only had one lamp in stock and he sent me that one to play with.

I had several wiring miscues, but I have all that straightened out. So right now I have one left Euro light wired with relays and 10 gauge wire, and the rest are just as Newell provided.

The bottom line, the Euro light provides twice the illumination that the stock light with stock wiring does. I am not kidding. I will take some pictures at night when I have time to demo the difference. It is incredible. The Euro light puts all the light down on the road and the light pattern is very homogeneous. The stock light has one bright spot on the road, and patterns of high and low intensity.

I stood in front of the coach at distances of 50 and 100 feet and there is more glare from the stock light than the Euro light so I don't expect oncoming drivers to have an issue with the better lighting. When you look directly at the light, it does not appear to be any brighter, but it sure does put more light on the road.

Admittedly, the originals are poor, but I am really happy about this right now.

I am a believer. I can't wait to get the other lamps in and install them Should be in a couple of weeks.