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807 10/3/2002 10:02:37 PM 10/4/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com Overheating/engine smoke I can't speak for the Cat, but Detroit's finest kind of frown on 10-20 minute warm ups except for very cold conditions. Diesels, unlike gasoline engines, tend to run cool at idle and prolonged idling tends to dilute the oil. I know, you see truckers idling their engings all night, but the Detroit engine experts claim these guys are hurting their engines. They recommend a short warm up (2-5 minutes in normal outside temperatures) but avoiding full throttle operations until normal operating temperatures are reached. I highly recommend the use of a block heater for cold morning starts to avoid the prolonged warm up requirement. I know this goes against the 'old school' but so does riding the brakes down a steep hill.

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808 10/6/2002 5:49:44 AM 10/6/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Synthetic oil's in the 8V92 With one significant exception, Newell recommends that operators of Detroit Diesel engines follow Detroit's recommendations regarding lubricating oils for their various engine models. This document can be downloaded with Adobe Acrobat software at www.detroitdiesel.com/public/svc/lofindex.asp . The exception is that Newell has confirmed over long term oil sample testing that multi-grade Mobil Delvac 1 performs very well in Detroit's two-stroke engines (92 series). However, Mobil (and Detroit through a private labeled Mobil product) now offer a straight weight version of Mobil Delvac 1. At Newell, we still like the multi-grade Delvac 1 because of easier starting in cold weather, but be prepared to experience a lot of prejudice against use of a mulit-grade in a two-stroke Detroit. For a more complete discussion of this topic, go to the TechTalk board and do a "find" under subject "oil," or copy and paste the following URL: www.newellcoach.com:591/bboard/FMPro?-db=bboard.fp3&-format=msg.htm&-lay=form%20view&-sortfield=Date%20Created&-sortorder=descend&-sortfield=Time%20Created&-sortorder=descend&QA=Q&App=1&-op=cn&Subject=oil&select=cn&select2=cn&select3=cn&-recid=118&-token=Thread&-find=

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809 10/9/2002 4:57:03 PM 10/10/2002 Dan Niebojeski bojes@aol.com odometer malfunction The odometer on my 2001 Newell will at times flash on and off and flash unreadable jiberish. Most of the time it works fine. I have checked for loose conections both at the speedometer head and at the box on the side of the engine. Also the hour meter in the tachometer will do the same thing, but only once in a while. Any ideas?

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810 10/10/2002 12:05:11 PM 10/10/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com odometer malfunction This would most certainly appear to be an electrical anomaly of some sort. The problem is not at the data source, as the speedometer/odometer and the tach/hour meter have different sources (transmission computer and engine computer). We'd suggest that you observe for anything else occurring at the same time, such as voltmeter fluctuations, is generator always running or not, does anything else flicker, such as dash lights, etc. Like they say, "we've never seen this before." And in this case, true. This is going to take some detective work and possibly a little luck to diagnose.

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812 10/13/2002 6:37:20 PM 10/26/2002 ken mccarlk@rogers.com rear suspention was wondering if anybody had thers rear suspention(bushings, centric cams, airbags, complete brakes, air lines and valves, bags and brakes)replaced , i was just given a estimate of 7000.00 to do the complete rear unit , the reason for the complete is the coach had a major fire in the engine , i dont want to give up on it,it is to nice of a coach to use for parts,its a 1984 40, can anybody give me any advice , to much or ?

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813 10/16/2002 8:04:48 AM 10/26/2002 Bill Burch bmburch@swbell.net engine temperature The temperature gauge on my 95 model with a 60 Series never stabilizes. It goes to a little over 200 within 30 miles and then it constantly ranges from 210 to as low as 190. As soon as the fan kicks on the temperature drops. Is this normal? I run several diesel trucks and find their temperature to be constant which I assume is from the air flow. I've had the local Detroit shop check the engine analyzer to see if the problem may be in the gauge but their equipment shows the same readings.

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814 10/20/2002 6:25:53 PM 10/26/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Electric Heaters 1980 Newell

2 of the electric heaters within our coach make "strange" noises, though still producing heat. I have elected to replace them.

I have found a unit made by QMARK in the Grainger book. This unit has the same specifications or measurements as the units I have in the coach. I have been unable to get a part number off of the unit installed in the coach. The voltage and heat output is as follows. 1500/750 Watts 120 volts BTU 5120/2560 . $140.10

All the above to ask one question: Will these units work in the coach, or does anyone have a better source, or suggestion?

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815 10/21/2002 9:03:28 PM 10/26/2002 Terry Sparks terrysparks@elitewireline.com Engine Preference??? Would you choose the the 8V92 or the series 60 in a 95 model 45'coach matched with a HT741 4 speed tranny. What are the pro's & con's of these two engine's? How about the tranny? Any other input is welcome. This will be my First newell.

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817 10/26/2002 7:18:49 PM 10/27/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Electric Heaters Everyone is correct, I found that the replacement heaters that they are replacing the original's with do have a slightly larger footprint. They do however appear to be of excellent quality, and cost $88.00 plus freight. Will do slight modification and use them front and rear, and bay.

The bathroom heater I will purchase from Grainger, the same footprint for $140.00 plus freight.

Thanks to everyone for your help in this matter, happy motoring.
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818 10/27/2002 9:28:31 AM 10/27/2002 John Clark jvclark02-nospam-@cs.com Engine Preference??? My vote is for the DD Series 60 hands down. The 8V92 is no longer available for highway use (circa early 90's) and parts and service are fast becoming an issue. The Series 60 is a much cleaner engine, provides better mileage, and developes higher torque at lower RPM's. Average TBO (time before overhaul) is 750,000 to 1 million miles for a series 60 versus 350,000 for an 8v92. I own an 8V92, and thoroughly enjoy it, but plan to upgrade when TBO is reached. FWIW, I think the ultimate combination is the Series 60 or Cat C12, teamed with an Allison six speed World transmission.

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819 10/27/2002 9:45:54 AM 10/27/2002 John Clark jvclark02-nospam-@cs.com rear suspention When I hear the term "major fire", I always become concerned. I once owned a salvage auto business and found that high heat can do very interesting things to metal. IMHO you might consider having a structural engineer or really good welder/mechanic inspect it before putting a lot of money into non-structural components. I inspected a rear burned MCI 102 once and refused to appraise it due to numerous hairline cracks in the frame. Newell makes a fantastic coach and their frames are the best in the world, but I would still have the frame and major drive components inspected for structural integrity before investing big bucks in an older coach.

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821 10/27/2002 4:00:07 PM 11/3/2002 Bob Marlatt InsideGolf@cablespeed.com Replacing the 391 engine with a 460 I have a 1973 coach in wonderful condition but have always been puzzled as to why it was fitted with an underpowered 391 when the 460 would have been the obvious choice. The question I have is: what problems am I in for if I decide to replace the 391 with a 460? Will it bolt up to the transmission or will I have to have a special adaptor plate made? What other concerns should I have? motor-mounts? driveline? rearend?

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822 10/28/2002 6:02:40 PM 11/3/2002 Ann Haynes jdh1214@msn.com value of coach My husband and I are considering selling a 1970 Newell Coach. Does anyone know what it may be worth. I think it has about 89,000 miles, and it's in great condition. We would appreciate any help.... thanks! Ann

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825 11/3/2002 3:10:54 PM 11/3/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Replacing the 391 engine with a 460 In the late 1960s and early 1970s, Newell built gas powered coaches with several different engines. In addition to the 391 Ford Industrial V8, coaches were built with 460 Ford V8s, 534 Ford Industrial V8s (expect 4 to 5 mpg), as well as 440 Chrysler V8s. Allison, Ford, and Chrysler automatic transmissions were used. A repower that would upgrade from a 391 to any of the above would probably require upgrading the transmission, driveshaft, rear axle, and cooling system--major challenges with a considerable commitment of resources required. In other words, probably expensive, with the additional investment not adding much to the resale value. You might consider trading coaches to get the added power. A big jump in power and performance occurred in the late 1970s with the availability of 92 Series Detroit Diesel power.

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826 11/4/2002 8:00:59 PM 11/5/2002 Linda Schneider ltschneider@earthlink.net value of coach We paid ~ 50K for a '79 Newell in 1999. It had been recently updated/refurbished to the tune of over 20K prior to our purchase and had around 90K miles on a Detroit 6V92 engine at time of purchase. Hope this is useful information.

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827 11/7/2002 6:44:33 PM 11/8/2002 CJ Thompson f350ct@aol.com NEWELL Coach Questions I have an opportunity to purchase a 1984 38' Newell Coach with just over 100K original miles. The unit is in good condition with only normal wear and tear for it's age. It is completly original having no updating to the interior or exterior. Being dated to its vintage, it is quite nice. The coach is powered by the CUMMINS engine- I believe it is the 855 which is rated at 350HP and the Allison 4 speed. My questions are:
1) is their any known problems which need to be addressed with this particluar engine and drive train?
2)is the unit able to accelerate and pull mountain grades relativly well - and stop too?
3) any structural or quality issues that i need to be watchful of?
4)I have no idea what the Coach is worth, nor does the owner who is just needing to dispose of the coach. I want to make a fair and reasonable offer to the seller. Their is virtually no data available as to what the fair market value of this coach is. Does anyone have any ball park figures?

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828 11/10/2002 6:57:57 AM 11/11/2002 ken mccarlk@rogers.com rear suspention Thanks John, we had the complete rear suspension out down to the frame, with engine and trans out, used a special powder and spray and found no cracks of any sort, Ken A
829 11/10/2002 7:01:06 AM 11/11/2002 ken mccarlk@rogers.com NEWELL Coach Questions I am no expert , but while rebuilding my 84 Newell 40 ft over the past year I have seen the market as low as $60,000 and as high as $120,000.00. I have seen all the the info on www. rvtraderonline.com

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830 11/10/2002 5:56:26 PM 11/11/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Speedometer 1980 Newell. Speedometer quit on our trip to Branson MO. I would assume it is the cable? Does Newell still carry this cable? Is their some other component associated with the speedometer I should look into first? We have 156K miles on this speedometer.
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831 11/10/2002 6:13:37 PM 11/11/2002 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Transmission Temp On pulling a long steep grade, what is the normal temperature for the transmission oil? The outside air temp was 50 degrees. Allison 4 speed, 1980 Newell coach. It was approaching 240 degrees. Is this normal?

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832 11/11/2002 5:34:53 AM 11/11/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Speedometer To see a previous message thread on this subject which addresses your question, click the "Find" icon in the left margin. In the Search for Messages screen, enter "Speedo Operation" on the subject line.

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835 11/19/2002 9:42:39 AM 11/19/2002 Don Koenig donkoenig@juno.com NEWELL Coach Questions In 1999 we purchased a 1984 Newell 40ft powered by a Detriot 8V92 engine rated at 450 HP. We put over 40,000 miles on it since then and have replaced all six tires, the water heater,the referigerator, and the invertors, repaired all air leveling valves and two of the propane furnaces. You should expect maintenance costs. If the tires are old a new set will be needed. The original water heater may start leaking at any time. No point in spending thousands more than you should. Our 84 was in the middle of the range given by Ken and had a fairly new set of tires. The seller said he had replaced the water heater, I do not believe him at this point. Have fun in your Newell. Don

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836 11/21/2002 5:11:37 AM 11/24/2002 Craig Leach cnlpal@msn.com 1973 Newell Motor Coac h I agree, you just can't beat the joy of owning a preowned Newell! I own a 1969 30' and it rattles less, drives better than any other coach that I've riden in. The quality just isn't there in the newer coaches being built by other manufactuars. Some day I will probably upgrade to a deisel, but I don't think my wife will let me sell the '69. MMMM, my own Newell fleet.

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837 11/21/2002 5:53:52 PM 11/24/2002 Danny Roccaforte droccaforte@gt.rr.com Gas Furnace I am looking to replace 2 of the gas furnances on my 87 newell. I currently have DUO-THERM model 90120. Does anyone have any suggestions on repalcements

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838 11/26/2002 5:00:53 AM 11/27/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Register with Newell If you own a Newell, we suggest you register your membership in the Newells Chapter of FMCA. Membership is complimentary for Newell owners regardless of the age of your coach and where it was purchased. With membership, you will receive our newsletter, Newells' News, and will be notified of upcoming Newell rallies. For a registration form, call Cindy Woods toll free at 1-888-9NEWELL, ext. 204.

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840 11/27/2002 8:41:44 PM 11/28/2002 John Clark jvclark02@nospam.cs.com Gas Furnace Hi Danny:

Are you pretty good mechanically.? If so, you might consider installing a Webasto heating system. Dick Wright at WRICO in Idaho has all the parts. Your Newell comes with off engine heat in the bedroom and front dash. I removed all three propane heaters and added a heater core under the fridge (with ducting to the bathroom) When I have shore power I use an electric water heater and the factory water pump to circulate the heated water. When dry camped, I use fuel to heat the water and when going down the road the engine keeps the coach warm. By activating a solenoid I can also preheat the engine before starting. This system is similiar to Newell's current system (Aqua Hot), except I use the existing heater hoses rather than dedicated tubing. I control room heat by indivual heater core fans controlled by wall thermostats.

If you ever have to replace an a/c, get a Duo Therm air conditioner with a remote controller. It not only shuts your roof air (fan included) off automatically, but you can control your heaters (propane or diesel heat) with its mode/zone options.
If you prefer to stay with propane, I suggest installing a Surburban gas furnace (Duo Therm no longer makes furnaces). You will have to modify the exterior vent holes, but it is doable. Another option is to cut a hole in the side of your coach and install a Hydroflame furnace. I attended RV Tech school (RVIA) and feel very comfortable with propane installations, pressure checks etc. If you are not familiar with propane heating, I suggest you farm this job out.

Another option is the propane catalytic heater. It is the most efficient device energy wise, but also the most dangerous. You need to use a CO2 detector, keep a window cracked, and turn it off before going to bed and . It also has a tendency to fog over the windows in very cold weather. Some people love 'em and some people hate 'em.
Good luck and enjoy!

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841 11/28/2002 7:42:18 AM 11/28/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Gas Furnace In the Newell Service Department, when required, we replace the original equipment Duo-Therm LP furnaces with an Attwood Model 8516, Newell part number NC-23425. This change also requires a exterior door assembly, Newell part number NC-23427. We have a lead time for ordering these parts of about a week. The parts cost about $500. We recommend this conversion be done by a qualified technician. The hydronic system John Clark suggests in the previous message is definitely a significant upgrade from propane furnaces. We would recommend the Aqua Hot system, which is a complete "kit" and uses a Webasto boiler, over buying a Webasto boiler and then buying the rest of the system piece by piece. The complete Aqua Hot system is well engineered and the components are well matched. It will provide three zones of heat, and the propriatary Newell version includes a 220 volt electric mode. ("Non-Newell" Aqua Hot systems use only 120 volts on electric mode, and this will do little more than "take the chill off--it is not adequate freeze protection.) But either approach to hydronic heating, Webasto boiler plus buying the rest of the pieces, or the complete Aqua Hot system, is going to carry a pretty hefty cost of materials, and lots of labor. By comparison, converting to the Attwood furnaces is relatively quick, relatively inexpensive, and it will keep you warm.

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846 12/2/2002 8:27:15 AM 12/4/2002 Jeff Horton jhorton@indyracing.com Water compartment thermometer I have a 1991 Newell. We are currently full timing in our coach here in Indianapolis while we finish the remodel on our house. I would like to know where the two temperature sensors are located that are read on the display above the stove. The water bay temp reads ok I just want to know where the sensor is located so I know what part of the bay is staying above freezing. And the outside temp does not work and I need to trouble shoot it. Thank you Jeff Horton

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849 12/4/2002 5:58:14 PM 12/7/2002 Rich Farr toptin@cox.net Generator exhaust We have an older Newell 38 1/2' with a Kohler 12.5KW diesel genset installed front-center on slideout rails.
In order to slide it out for service however, one must get underneath and disconnect generator exhaust. It is a pain.
We are searching for a new generator exhaust system and/or some type of exhaust slip joint - or quick disconnect - or ?? - to facilitate quicker/easier service access to genset. The OD of exhaust pipe is approx 1 1/2".
Appreciate any/all suggestions. Thanks in advance.
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850 12/5/2002 9:29:10 AM 12/7/2002 Gary Carter gcarter@usinternet.com Engine Preference??? Transmission may make more difference than engine. Even though the 92 series is no longer produced for highway use, it is still in production and probably will be for years to come. Parts and service should be available for longer than I live. In fact with a 400K TBO I hope I live long enought to reach it.

We have the 92 and 4 speed. Would love to have a 6 speed or even better a 10 speed Eaton auto-shifter.

The series 60 will give you slightly better mpg. Much of this is attributed to the transmission. More gears allows better crusing at a lower RPM.

My preference would be 6 speed allison first. 60 Series second, but neither very important overall.

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851 12/5/2002 9:39:28 AM 12/7/2002 Gary Carter gcarter@usinternet.com transmission replacement First problem and I may be wrong, but I thing the 6 speed also requires a DDEC engine as the computers need to talk to each other. If you have a DDEC check out the Eaton auto-shifter.

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853 12/7/2002 4:49:54 PM 12/8/2002 Dean Stoops 67gto@myvine.com Generator exhaust I've been thinking about that issue on my 1978 as well. I have considered two options...One, mount the whole exhaust system unto the engine cradle so the whole thing moves together, Two, I've seen factory installations on Blue Birds that use a "slip joint" that involves a smaller id pipe inside of a larger one...not sure how they seal it though.

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854 12/10/2002 9:03:09 PM 12/14/2002 John Clark jvclark02@nospam.cs.com Generator exhaust Check out a mid 80's or later Newell. They have a pipe within a pipe exhaust solution that works great. My 1987 has the slideout system and it has worked flawlessly. Newell also added a heat activated fire extinguisher system that would be easy to incorporate into your 1978. You might also want to consider splitting your front bunper into three parts like the late model Newell classics have.

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855 12/11/2002 5:43:50 PM 12/14/2002 John Leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net Shock Absorbers What shocks does Tech Staff recommend for '82 36' with 6V92TA and 150Kmiles? Currently getting severe bouncing up and down, too much sway, and road shock coming back thru steering wheel. Recently installed Carquest shocks supposedly made by Gabriel and crossed from a Koni number. But the results were worse than the ones previously on coach. Just not up to the job.

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856 12/11/2002 8:08:25 PM 12/14/2002 Bob Scott thescotts@proaxis.com Gas Furnace I just happened to stop by Dick Wright's place yesterday to inquire about a Webasto heating system and he has a special package price that he has put together for converters. Dick is not in Idaho. The name of his business is Wrico International LLC located in Eugene, OR. Their phone is 541-744-4333. His package price is $3928.04 and includes all the components to build a system including an installation manual. Converting a Newell should be less if you have a good water heater and heat exchanger on the engine. The 220 volt that Newell uses is definitely a plus. It would be interesting to see what the price difference is. Anyway I feel that if possible the hot water heat is the way to go. We dry camp a lot and the biggest problem with our 86 Newell is having a good supply of hot water without running either the engine or the generator

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857 12/15/2002 6:45:35 PM 12/16/2002 Robert M. Jackson Bikebob14@aol.com Tag Axel At what length does Newell put their tag axle on? Does a 40 footer use a tag? Thank you.

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858 12/15/2002 7:15:49 PM 12/16/2002 Robert M. Jackson Bikebob14@aol.com Transmissions 4,5,6 speeds? A friend of mine had a Monaco Signature with a 9 speed transmission. How was that accomplished? With what purpose? Thank you.

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860 12/16/2002 5:24:32 AM 12/16/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Tag Axel Newell has installed tag axles on all coaches manufactured in recent years. The current coach with Series 60 power and other typical components is too heavy for a single rear axle. It would be possible for Newell to build a coach of, say, 35 or 36 feet on two axles rather than three, but significant changes to reduce weight would be required.

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861 12/16/2002 5:51:05 AM 12/16/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Transmissions 4,5,6 speeds? Monaco built a series of Signature models a few years ago equipped with Eaton 9-speed Ceemat Transmissions. These were essentially Eaton Roadranger 9-speed transmissions with an automtaic clutch and shifting system. Newell built one coach on special order with this transmission. Most motorcoach owners did not like the performance and shifting characteristics of the Ceemat, and it did not sell well. We understand that the resale value of Signatures with Ceemat transmissions is lower than similar coaches with the Allison automatic. The Ceemat is no longer produced. However, Eaton builds several versions of their AutoShift transmission which appears to be a successor or updated version of the Ceemat. To our knowledge, it is not offered in any motor home or conversion shell.

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863 12/25/2002 10:57:58 AM 12/25/2002 Doc dmurnahan@earthlink.net Transmissions Retarder We have a Jake brake on our unit which I think is very satisfactory. That is until I drove a unit that has an Allison transmission retarder in lieu of a Jake brake. I loved the retarder. Why is an Allison retarder almost unheard of with most manufactures?? Is it due to un-reliability or a much higher cost?? Thanks

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866 12/27/2002 2:33:38 PM 12/28/2002 Steve Saraga s.saraga@att.net Synthetic oil's in the 8V92 I am going to switch to Mobil Delvac 1 from another synthetic oil in my 8V92TA. I have been able to find 5W40 Delvac 1, but the straight weight Delvac, what viscosity is it available in? And/or if I use the multi viscosity, what should I use? I am about to contact a dealer and buy a 30 or 55 Gal drum.

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868 12/27/2002 8:13:23 PM 12/28/2002 scott thompson cowboyswt1027@aol.com V.I.N. location I need to know the location of the VIN of a coach we just bought so I can get the tags for it. Can anyone help me?

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869 12/28/2002 6:37:31 AM 12/28/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com V.I.N. location The VIN label is located on the inside wall to the left of the driver's seat. If this label is missing, a new label can be obtained by calling the Service Department at Newell Coach, 1-888-3NEWELL. Late model coaches also have the VIN engraved on the left wing of the dashboard, visible from the exterior looking through the driver's cab window.

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870 12/28/2002 6:46:23 AM 12/28/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Synthetic oil's in the 8V92 We suggest you contact your nearest Detroit Diesel distributor to purchase Detroit's private label straight weight synthetic. As we recall, Detroit recommends SAE40. While the "traditionalists" at Detroit Diesel do not agree, we repeat our prior comment: at Newell we like the performance of multi-vis Delvac 1 with Series 92 engines, based upon superior cold weather starting. We have considerable experience as well as oil analysis documentation to back up our recommendation, which we have shared with Detroit. But old habits are hard to break.

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871 12/28/2002 10:57:03 AM 12/29/2002 Bill Stuart wrssr@msn.com 1974 Rockwell Rear-end 1974 model. Please provide width of rear-end w/o bearing hub and break drum. Do you have a replacement parts number for brake drum for said motorhome? They are unavailable here in parts stores. They say discontinued. Have looked nation-wide for parts. May have to change rear-end. VIN #3000RE1017D6H. Thank you, Bill

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872 12/28/2002 9:43:12 PM 12/29/2002 scott thompson cowboyswt1027@aol.com V.I.N. location Sorry I left out that it is a 1968 coach. Can the service department still help us?

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873 12/28/2002 9:57:54 PM 12/29/2002 J Clark jvclark02@cs.com V.I.N. location My 1979 Newell had the Vin # displayed to the left of the entryway just above the steps. My '87 is on the inside wall to the lower left of the drivers seat (near your left knee).

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874 12/29/2002 3:21:16 PM 12/30/2002 Steve Saraga s.saraga@att.net Synthetic oil's in the 8V92 Thank's for the response. Is the private label synthetic available at a Detroit Diesel distributor the product manufactured by Mobil, or is it something other? And if you have considerable experience with multi-vis Delvac 1, which vis were you recommending in your coaches? I am only so far able to find 5W-40. Would you recommend this vis for a Series 92? I live in Florida, and I must admit, 95% of my operations are in warm to hot climates.

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875 12/30/2002 4:58:05 AM 12/30/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Synthetic oil's in the 8V92 We were told by both Mobil and Detroit Diesel engineers that the private label Detroit Diesel synthetic lube oils were made by Mobil and were virtually identical to the respective Delvac 1 products. Delvac 1 was originally offered in 5W-40 and, as I recall, 5W-50, although the Mobil website currently lists only one product, 5W-40. The straight weight synthetic lube oil is Mobilguard SHC 40. Our service department follows Detroit Diesel's recommendation of the straight weight Mobilguard SHC for Series 92 engines. Personally, I prefer the multi-vis Delvac 1, particularly for its better performance and engine protection in cold start situations. That said, either is a premium product and offers superior performance to conventional mineral base oils. By the way, our friends in motor racing use synthetic oils exclusively, be it Nascar, IRL, CART, or F1. In addition to better lubrication performance under stressful conditions, synthetics consistently dyno with small, but consistent horsepower advantages. We expect that fuel economy would show similar improvement.

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876 12/30/2002 12:54:02 PM 12/30/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com V.I.N. location Apparently, the serial number label on the interior wall of your coach has been removed or covered during a renovation. We understand that you are in telephone communication with our staff and that we are making a new label to send to you for installation. The loss of a serial number label on an older coach is not unusual, and we can provide replacement labels when necessary.

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877 12/30/2002 7:00:27 PM 12/31/2002 Steve Saraga s.saraga@att.net Synthetic oil's in the 8V92 Thanks for the response, after the holiday's I'll call Florida Diesel, my local Detroit dealer. Again thanks and happy new year to you all up there in Miami

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878 12/30/2002 10:08:08 PM 12/31/2002 scott thompson cowboyswt1027@aol.com V.I.N. location Yes, Tom in service is helping me out. I work with other coach companies all the time at my job. For tech service, you guys are the nicest, most helpful company of all one I deal with. Thanks a lot to all who have helped us.

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880 1/8/2003 6:19:50 am 1/11/2003 cookiefd fuel tnk size we like the unit #631 on sale. Would like specs. On fuel tanksize & floor layout.
like your web-site.
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882 1/10/2003 1:57:58 PM 1/11/2003 paulkuzara www.pkann.com 1990 Newell 42 foot Coach for sale price and other information please send

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883 1/11/2003 9:59:37 AM 1/12/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 1990 Newell 42 foot Coach for sale To: paulkuzara. You posting does not include an e-mail address to which to respond. We suggest you e-mail Ms. Brennan directly at the address she has posted and include a proper return address.

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884 1/11/2003 8:10:17 PM 1/12/2003 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com New Paint for a 1995 Newell I will be trying to sell my coach soon. Since it needs minor body work for scratches here and there, I was wondering if I should get completely painted or just repair the problem areas? Will a paint shop be able to blend the colors with touch ups? How much should I expect to pay for a complete painting of my coach? Comments and suggestions are appreciated from anyone? My coach is a 1995 45' Newell. Coach #401. Anyone interested in purchasing should contact me as well.

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885 1/12/2003 8:42:02 AM 1/12/2003 J Clark jvclark02@cs.com New Paint for a 1995 Newell Hi Raul-
If you're considering using a local paint shop, be sure to check out their experience in painting aluminum. We had one painted at a local truck shop and the entire base coat peeled off within hours. They finally got it right (three months worth) and honored their original price of $5000. I later checked out Newells factory paint system and they paint their coaches just like they build them- nothing but the very best. I don't know what they charge, but the time they spend just on preparation (which is critical to a good paint job)is unbelievable. Based on the quality of work I saw at the factory, and the type of paint they were using, I would guess well over $10,000 for a 45' coach. Like an old Southern expression goes "you gets whaats yo pay fo".

Good luck- jc

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896 1/17/2003 9:41:44 PM 1/20/2003 dan delzompo dandj3408@aol.com 83 newell 6-92 alternator no charge Running motor with key "off," then "on" -- will it damage the alternator? Also this Newell has four 8D batteries. Is 130 amp alternator going to last in an 8 hour drive, batteies discharged?

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897 1/19/2003 12:29:15 PM 1/20/2003 Joe Jaeger happyhilljos@aol.com 903 Cummins Engines RE: performance info, H/P and torque for 903 Cummins engines installed in 1980 series Newell coaches. Any pros and cons to look for? Are parts still available?

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898 1/19/2003 2:51:29 PM 1/20/2003 Keefer sos1and2@cox.net plasma tv in high altitude Any future possibilities of correcting or finding a plasma that will work in high altitude?

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899 1/22/2003 10:54:38 AM 1/22/2003 Joe Jaeger happyhilljos@aol.com Fuel Tank Leak, Have a hairline crack at corner edge of seam (running to bottom of 200 gallon tank). Don't wish to remove tank to fix. Have emptied out diesel fuel already. Any suggestions on how to repair and what best product to use? Need reply ASAP. Thank you.

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900 1/22/2003 12:21:05 PM 1/22/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Fuel Tank Leak, While we understand your preference to fix the fuel tank in place, we know of no safe procedure to accomplish this. Our recommendation is to remove the tank, thoroughly steam clean it to remove any diesel residue, then weld the tank, and finally reinstall it. This is a potentially dangerous job and should be done only by a competant technician who is experienced at repairing fuel tanks. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THIS AT HOME!

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901 1/22/2003 8:56:08 PM 1/23/2003 J Clark jvclark02@cs.com Fuel Tank Leak, Hi Joe-
This is one of those- 'been there, done that' things for me. For me the hardest part was emptying and refilling the tank (three times)and you have already done that.

I agree with Newells tech staff. Pull the tank and take it to a good welding shop. They can weld it in a matter of minutes (diesel tanks are easy to weld).

It is fairly easy to remove and two people can manhandle it. Be sure to flush it out after welding to get the 'burnt' residue out.

I tried the 'in frame' repair once and within a matter of months, I was seeping diesel again. You might consider having the welder reinforce (weld) the mounting plates as they seem to be a common failure point on fuel tanks.

Good luck! jc

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902 1/23/2003 5:30:40 PM 1/24/2003 Perry Burney paburney@bellsouth.net Tachometer malfunction I have a 89 classic with a 8V92. My tach malfunctioned, jumped a little and just went to zero. I've had experience with speedometers and oil pressure guages, but not tachs. Where do I start?!

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903 1/23/2003 5:32:52 PM 1/24/2003 Perry Burney paburney@bellsouth.net 903 Cummins Engines I had an 84 with a 903. It was 350 hp, no leaks on it, good power, only problem, it is a smoker. On start up, look out!

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904 1/25/2003 2:25:16 PM 1/26/2003 Carl Hollmann (RV Tech) carl_hollmann@hotmail.com plasma tv in high altitude I deal with plasma TV's in some of our luxury coaches and am curios to know what the problems you have come across. Carl Hollmann RV technician, Kelowna British Columbia Ca.

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905 1/31/2003 9:28:41 PM 1/31/2003 Keith Walker keith@highdefinitions.com plasma tv in high altitude I sell & install plasma TV's in 6000 to 8500' altitudes. 1st & 2nd generation plasmas have a distinctive Buzz (sounds like a neon light) due to the gas between the glass panels being pressurized. 50% of current sets have no buzz due to plasma technology improvement. Current Pioneer Elite,Runco & NEC Plasma's are rated to 12,000'. The larger the panel , the bigger the buzz. I installed a retractable Sony 32" HDTV plasma in my coach and the buzz is faint. The plasma is coupled with a Tracstar HDTV In-Motion Satelitte, Sony HDTV Satellite Reciever through a VGA connnection and the 1080I Resolution is breathtaking. Large LCD (37") Panels do not have the buzz phenom.

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906 2/1/2003 10:30:58 AM 2/1/2003 Gary Carter gcarter@usinternet.com New Paint for a 1995 Newell We recently aquired a '93 that was painted last summer by Creative Coach in Lakeland FL. It looks alike a million bucks and most folks think it is a brand new coach.

BUT be prepared to spend some money. Probably at least $25K

Good luck

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907 2/2/2003 11:57:59 AM 2/2/2003 Norah Brennan nbnora@cs.com 1990 Newell 42 foot Coach for sale Norah Brennan
4280 Truckee River Trail
Reno, NV 89523
$165,000. Paint job was $22,000.
Coach located in Las Vegas Outdoor Resorts, also will offer a few months free rent at ORA in Las Vegas with coach purchase or can purchase lot with improvements.

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909 2/7/2003 9:45:36 PM 2/7/2003 J Clark jvclark02@cs.com Tachometer malfunction I apologize for the slow response, but I was attending the Newell rally in Palm Springs. The food and entertainment was fantastic, and Karl and Alice (owners of Newell Coach) were very gracious. Now, to your question, I lost the tach on my '79 Newell (Cummins) twice. The first time was a loose connection and the second time was the sending unit. The most common source of tach failure in descending order are; loose/corroded connection, broken wires, failed sending unit, bad gauge and broken drive shaft. I am not a devotee of remove and replace, nor do I enjoy yoga-under-the-dash or low crawling in the mud. In your front and rear terminal compartments are ?tach? wires (position #16, #6 & #7 on mine). I would first clean and check the connections. Next, place your trusty voltmeter in the ohms position, and put the red lead on one rear terminal (#6 or #7 ?) and ground the other lead. Record the ohms and volt readings on both terminals. Start the engine, you should see a significant increase in resistance (Ohms) and a small increase in volts (10ths) on one of the terminals. If not, stick a brew in the freezer, put on the coveralls and knee-pads, and start tracking the wires down to locate the engine sending unit. There are several places it can be on an 8V92 (blower, camshaft, or alternator driven) and I have yet to check what output Newell Coach is using. Clean and re-attach the connection at the sending unit and try the tach one more time. If a no go, you might free the moths from your billfold (in my case anyway) and order a new sending unit, or remove, inspect and repair everything as needed. Good luck!- jc

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Tidbit- Are all you ?
"classic 8v92" folks making sure that your fan pulley and steering shaft zerk fittings get one or two squirts of grease each year? I doubt if most lube shops know they exist.

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910 2/8/2003 10:10:20 AM 2/17/2003 H Gumbs Execrver@aol.com Storage underneath compared to a Liberty Coach How is the storage space under the coach compared to a Liberty Coach(which has virtually none)?

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911 2/13/2003 1:49:44 PM 2/17/2003 DUKE HALTOM VPDUKE@MSN.COM the very first newell coach I THINK THAT I MAY OWN THE FIRST NEWELL COACH SOLD AFTER THE PURCHASE OF THE STREAMLINE CORP. BY MR. NEWELL, IN 1967.. THERE IS EVIDENCE OF THE STREAMLINE LOGO UNDERNIETH THE NEWELL LOGO ON THE FRONT OF MY COACH...WHICH LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT IT WAS LEFT OVER STOCK OF THE 1967 STREAMLINE MOTORHOME... ANY HELP IN VERIFIING THIS WOULD BE APPRECIATED...MY EMAIL IS VPDUKE@MSN.COM THE VIN # OF MY NEWELL IS 5084 THANK YOU.........

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913 2/14/2003 11:19:51 am 2/17/2003 duke haltom vpduke@msn.com can not find tires please tell me where i can find tires for my 1967 newell with 16.5 rims the tires on it now are 12-16.5 thank you....duke

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915 2/19/2003 9:17:13 PM 2/24/2003 J Clark jvclark02@cs.com CAN NOT FIND TIRES Hi Duke-
Goodyear still makes the 12-16.5 called the Custom HiMiler SS. Contact Kris of Goodyear at kris_fettig@goodyear.com for your nearest dealer or contact Miller Tire (memiller@bright.net) at 800-621-1955, they sell a 12-16.5 for $135 and will ship anywhere. Good luck, jc

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916 2/20/2003 11:32:19 PM 2/24/2003 J Clark jvclark02@cs.com Storage underneath compared to a Liberty Coach That's a tough question. Newell Coach has never built two coaches exactly the same, so I was curious as to how they could answer your question. Every coach is custom built from the ground up for the buyer, so storage space will vary based on length, options, and number of axles. The best I can do is give you the open storage space I have on my 40' 102 with a tag axle and roof airs: one-42Wx30Hx100D; one-23Wx30Hx100D; two-22Wx30Hx28D, one-30Wx30Hx28D. jc

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917 2/24/2003 7:01:46 PM 2/24/2003 jeff dranreb@lowcountry.com serious chit chat COULD ANYONE TELL ME, WHAT IS THE LONGEST TRAILER LENGTH THEY EVER TOW WITH THEIR COACH LEGALLY OR WHAT IS THE STANDARD FOR 45'COACH.[RACE CAR TRAILER] THANKS

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918 2/25/2003 12:25:53 PM 2/26/2003 Scott Peatross slpeatross@aol.com serious chit chat Well, California has a maximum overall combined length of 65 feet.

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919 2/25/2003 5:19:16 PM 2/27/2003 Bill Burch bmburch@swbell.net serious chit chat I tow a 22' trailer behind my 45' coach which puts me at the legal limit, 70', for most states. I have a friend towing a 30 footer and to date, he has not had any problem with being overlength. I would be afraid be over length and become involved in an accident. The legal length limits are published in the front sections of most road atlases.

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921 2/27/2003 1:20:39 PM 2/27/2003 Marc Hobbie lbrendel01@yahoo.com Interested in Purchasing Newell 1982 38' with 6V92 turbo. Coach has 150k miles, Allision 5 speed auto. Bus exterior has been stripped and is ready for paint. Does anyone have any idea what this coach is worth? I am looking at purchasing it from an on-line seller. Given the above information, is there anything undesireable about this coach? Does anyone have anything similar that they are selling? Let me know! Thanks! I am interested in becoming a Newell owner.

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922 2/27/2003 7:56:53 PM 3/4/2003 Scott P. slpeatross@aol.com Interested in Purchasing Newell I would put the value on an '82 in excellent condition in the low $50K range. It does have the 6V92 & 5 speed which is a desireable drivetrain. I don't know if the 8V92 was offered in '82, but that would be even more desireable, but the 6V is much better than some of the obsolete Cummins engines also offered in that era. If in less than excellent condition, use caution because refurbishment gets expensive quickly. Factory quality paint can cost $10,000-$25,000. Excellent condition also means updated interior. Neutral colors using quality fabrics or leather is important, also expensive. If in original, yet dated condition, you may pick it up much cheaper. Bottom line is don't spend all your money to aquire the coach. Keep plenty in reserve for the many things you may discover it needs after you buy it. Good luck!

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923 3/1/2003 9:05:29 AM 3/4/2003 Art Knapp agkcpa@rvlifestyle.net Microwave/Convection The 20 year old Sharp microwave/convection in our 1983 Newell finally quit on us. I want to but a new microwave/convection oven to replace it. For short periods of time (may up tp 30 minutes) the new microwave will be powered by our Heart Freedom 3000-watt inverter. I have read that some microwaves work better than others using this modified sine wave power source. Any suggestions as to brand or model?

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924 3/3/2003 8:51:12 AM 3/4/2003 john leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net Interested in Purchasing Newell Hello Marc. Have similar 36' coach. Would say condition determines value more than anything. It takes experience to know what to look for and experience is usually not cheap! A satisfactory paint job could easily cost $10K or more. I might consider selling mine which has been thoroughly gone over and was repainted by Newell about 9 years ago. Give me a call at 850 244 6150 for any further info. Helps to know what to look for in older coaches. The model you describe has a lot of good attributes. Regards, john leuenberger

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931 3/7/2003 6:04:14 PM 3/12/2003 henry bozic hank31@strato.net 903 Cummins Engines I own 1983Newell with 903 Cummins 350 hp with turbo. Uses no oil but on start up smokes unless I use the engine heater prior to using coach. Are all 903 engines smokers? Perfect coach otherwise. Would like feed back.

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932 3/8/2003 7:46:13 PM 3/12/2003 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Electric Oil Pressure Oil light is off, but electric oil pressure gauge reads 0. Where is the best place to look? Gauge or sending unit??

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933 3/12/2003 7:41:34 AM 3/12/2003 Tech Talk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Electric Oil Pressure Ground out the wire on the sending unit. If grounding the sender pegs the gauge, we would suspect that the sender is bad. If not, try replacing the gauge.

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934 3/16/2003 5:24:31 AM 3/16/2003 Dick Quirk quirkrjiii@cs.com Maintenance Search, DC area We have a '78 Newell and live in the DC area. I am looking for a maintenance company (or companies) to (1) Conduct a preventative maintenance program for the vehicle components (brakes, steering, running gear), (2) Do body work and paint (corrosion on skin and underlying steel), and (3) Provide preventative maintenance on the Detroit 6V92 engine(without excluding me from the work area as the Baltimore based Detroit company does). I'd appreciate any leads.
Thanks,
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935 3/16/2003 6:13:50 AM 3/16/2003 Tech Talk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Maintenance Search, DC area Our recommendation was going to be pretty easy--go to the nearest Detroit Diesel distributor (not a dealer, as distributors have more expertise and parts). However, then we noticed your requirement to remain in the work area. While we allow this in the Newell Service Department due to the specialized nature of the operation and customers, it is unusual for a shop, and generally not a very good idea, to allow customers in the work area. If you can tolerate not "helping" with the work, we suggest the most convenient Detroit Diesel distributor for chassis work. Otherwise, you might have to come to Oklahoma. Body and paint work is another issue. There is a wide range of quality levels. Done correctly, this is labor intensive and expensive. Done inexpensively, it is often not done to a high quality standard. We have recently organized a paint and body section of our factory Service Department, removing this work from the group that had primary responsibility for new production. As a result, we are doing a much larger volume of paint work and body repair for our owners. You might want to contact Jerry Allen, the Newell customer paint shop manager, toll-free at 1-888-3NEWELL to discuss your needs. The work would be done right.

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936 3/17/2003 4:30:45 PM 3/20/2003 jeff dranreb@lowcountry.com serious chit chat THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR ANSWER ON LENGTH OF TRAILERS.

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949 3/25/2003 9:46:34 PM 3/26/2003 Bill Stuart, Spokane, WA wrssr@msn.com 74 Newell Coach I own a 1973 Newell with a 3208 Cat, no turbo. The engine was installed by Suncoast Ford in Florida, replacing the original 1160 Cat. Can anyone tell me what the horsepower of the 1160 was? I think it is cooling properly, but what should temperature be going down the highway? The rear end is an H-140RDAX5. This engine, since installed, has only 16,000 miles - is rear end to light? Did Newell install the 23,000 lb Page drive axle air suspension and the Onan 3 cylinder, water cooled diesel genset generator? Motorhome dog walks on me - has new Toyo tires in front. Checked steering box, seems tight - you really have to be on top of steering going down road. In the past when people were going from older tires to the new style radial tires, you had to realign your front end? Do you think there's to much overhang on rear end of coach making it light on front axle. Thanks again for your help. Bill

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950 3/26/2003 1:05:08 PM 3/26/2003 Tech Talk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 74 Newell Coach Long wheelbase vehicles such as Newell coaches require alignment of drive (and tag) axles in addition to front axles. The thrust angle of the rear axle(s) must be adjusted close to zero or, if possible, eliminated to correct a dog tracking situaiton. The Newell Service Department utilizes the latest Hunter axle alignment equipment which is designed to perform highly accurate total axle alignments. If your coach wanders, we suspect you may also have a front axle alignment issue. You may have a "toe-out" condition. Changing from conventional to radial tires generally requires the toe-in to be set at minimum. We recommend 1/32". In summary, a complete alignment, in your case, two axles, is recommended. Once you know the alignment is correct, if you still have a problem, further checks can be made. Swapping front tires side-to-side has been known to cure some wandering problems. With the relatively light Cat 3208, the weight front vs. rear axle is not the problem. We built a number of two axle coaches with much heavier 8V92 engines. These coaches handled just fine. You indicate that your steering gear is "tight." If you have trouble curing the wandering, you might also have the steering gear checked by a competent mechanic, and rebuilt or replaced if necessary.

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952 3/29/2003 9:32:05 PM 3/30/2003 Bill Stuart, Spokane, WA wrssr@msn.com 74 Newell Coach Thanks for your response on March 26, 2003. The info you gave me really helps - am going to have front and rear axle alignment checked. Do you know if Newell installed the 23,000 pound Page air suspension, also if they installed the Onan, water cooled diesel generator? Do you think the 140RDAX5 rear end is OK to run with the 3208, it has a six inch axle. Thanks for all your help. Bill & Linda

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953 3/30/2003 5:45:39 AM 3/30/2003 Tech Talk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 74 Newell Coach Newell used Page and Page air ride systems in the 1970s, so we probably installed the suspension. Chances are the axle and the generator are also original equipment, but confirming this would be difficult. We don't have access the specifications of the rear axle. The two major variables are the power and torque capacity and the match of the ratio to the engine. If the coach has adequate acceleration and cruising speed, the ratio is probably okay. Confirming the power capacity is trickier. If inadequate, you'll probably break a ring gear sooner or later. But the fact that it apparently has run for many years is a very good sign. We wouldn't suggest doing anything about the rear axle torque capacity unless and until it breaks because there is a good chance it won't.

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954 4/4/2003 9:48:44 PM 4/5/2003 Bill Stuart, Spokane, WA wrssr@msn.com 74 Newell Coach I have a '74 Newell Coach. I understand they made this model until '79. Would like to hear from owners of '79 and earlier coach and exchange info. Would like to know if any of you have a 3208. I would like to know if a 1160 cat motor is a V8, and what hp it is. Tell me what you think of your earlier coach. Thanks again, for all the help. Bill & Linda.

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957 4/9/2003 4:11:21 PM 4/11/2003 Dan niebojeski bojes@aol.com torque Would like to know how many foot pounds of torque needed on front wheel lugnuts on 2001 Newell.

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958 4/11/2003 7:26:45 AM 4/11/2003 Tech Talk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com torque The recommended torque for lug nuts on our aluminum wheels is 400 - 450 ft./lbs. Of course, lug nuts on aluminum wheels should always be installed with a torque wrench.

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962 4/17/2003 4:27:36 PM 4/19/2003 Charles Crafton ccat1934@juno.com Maintenance Search, DC area Does the Newell have rubber roof or one solid construction?

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964 4/19/2003 11:18:20 AM 4/27/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Maintenance Search, DC area The roof of a Newell is aircraft-quality aluminum, two pieces, which are riveted together on the longitudinal center line. The aluminum is painted, typically white to minimize heat gain.

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967 4/22/2003 7:18:17 PM 4/27/2003 Orland Dewey mixednuts@torchlake.com value of coach I am going to look at a 35' Newell coach , 1970 model with
6V53 diesel engine (stock?). Don't know the mileage but its
a lot. Fair to good condition. Can anyone give me a rough
ball park value? Min. to max. price. Thanks. ODD

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968 4/22/2003 7:27:32 PM 4/27/2003 Orland Dewey mixednuts@torchlake.com Best oil recom. for 6V53?? What oil is best for 6V53 Detroit Diesel?
I live in Norther lower Miichigan!
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969 4/22/2003 9:02:48 PM 4/27/2003 Linda wrssr@msn.com 74 Newell Coach On my 1974 Coach, VIN #3000E101706H, I need two rear brake drums, the rear end is a H140RDAXS and A333-D-680 cast iron hub. My question to you is, the closest I have found to your factory drum is a Gunite XXXX. The only difference between your drum and the one I found is the replacement drum where lug studs go through holes is a lot thicker, by probably 3/8" or better. Can you provide me with the correct part number for the drums or the cost of the drums through you. Thanks, Bill

P.S. Coach has been down 7 months trying to find the correct drum and hub. I found bearing hub.

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970 4/24/2003 10:00:31 AM 4/27/2003 Harry Wuner wharvonw@juno.com Interested in Purchasing Newell My 82 38.5 foot was appraised for my insurance at $79.000. My coach has 106 K miles and is in near perfect condition. Do I want to sell, NO WAY.

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971 4/24/2003 10:14:52 AM 4/27/2003 Harry Wuner wharvonw@juno.com Koni Shocks I put on Koni on my 82. The coach rides and drives very well. Koni cost about $120 each but are worth every penney and are adjustable and guaranteed forever.

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973 4/27/2003 12:36:17 PM 4/27/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 74 Newell Coach We no longer have a source for these drums. However, if you have located a drum that fits except for thicker material in the lug nut area, perhaps you can install longer lug nuts and make this drum work.