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06-28-2011, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rheavn
Tuga,
When I asked Tommy Key if that price includes everything including the wheel well skirt(painted) he said everything except the machining of the wheel studs. Machining of the wheel studs is $2,000 more.
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So the total price (walk out the door) is $4995. Wow!
Mine rides just fine - I'll keep the $5K in the bank, Hank!
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06-29-2011, 04:56 PM
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Just for grins, I called my local Michelin dealer and priced a 365/70R22.5 in a steering tire.
Tire, tax, mount, and balance for 2 tires is $2,280.13
That's not the good part: they would have to come directly from Michelin. He doesn't know when the tires could be delivered; he's going to check with his manager and give me a delivery date.
Stay tuned.....
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06-29-2011, 05:28 PM
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Hey Tuga,
If you talk with the Michelin dealer again ask him about the 315s we currently have on our coaches as I've heard there is also a shortage of those too.
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08-18-2011, 01:09 PM
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As a note, we have found that roughly four out of five non-ZF coaches will not require machining of the bolts.
If you have a washer behind the nut, your are good to go without machining.
Newell also recommends 315 front tires be replaced every three years, versus five years for coaches with 365 tires.
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08-24-2011, 12:33 AM
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365 Upgrade
John,
Hopefully you can answer a question I have not been able to get a answer. My coach has the large wheel studs. Newell ordered the wheels for the coach back in '98 to fit the large studs. Why, as part of the upgrade, can't the new wheels be ordered with the larger holes as my current wheels have? This would reduce the upgrade cost considerably.
Thanks in advance...........................
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09-11-2011, 03:15 PM
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On a lark, I bought the Alcoa rims to fit the wide tires. On second thought I have decided to skip the conversion.
They are brand new. I'll make someone a great deal on them. The Alcoa part number is GA803601
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10-02-2011, 04:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rheavn
Tom,
Each coach cost can be different based on the coach year. The least expensive sounds like what afrench45 is having done which is 2 new wider aluminum wheels, 2 new 365 Michelin tires AND 2 new wider and repainted front fender skirts.
On my coach the 365 tire upgrade was $5800. I would get everything above plus my coach has 1 1/16" wheel studs that have to be machined down to 7/8" and rethreaded. The machining is $2,000. Not sure why wheels could not be drilled larger. The larger studs were used for a few years. When Newell went to the independent front suspension in about late '96 or '97 the engineers felt the 1 1/16 wheel studs were needed. At some point around 2000 the Newell engineers backed the wheel studs off to 7/8". 7/8" wheel studs have been used since including 2011 coaches. At this point I can not justify the upgrade as I have weighed my coach and I am well within the 315 weight rating, I run about 63 mph normally and I keep them inflated to 130 psi. I also check the cruising temperatures when I'm on the road and seldom see temperatures above 130 psi.
Prevosts have gone to the 365s on the front and tag axle.
afrench45,
Listening to how you use your coach and the tire temps you are experiencing I think you're making a wise decision. Remember though if your front tires are needing to be replaced anyway the cost of the upgrade is cut in half, while your margin of safety is increased considerably. My advice to every one, based on personal experience, is to avoid a front end blow out at ANY cost. I have had two front end blow outs in over 30 years of motorhoming and the coach repair cost for those two blow outs is over $60,000. Makes that tire upgrade seem a lot cheaper.
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We too, have 2001 coach and after picking up our coach from the Miami plant ( met the individual owner seller there ) we were told that it would be good idea to replace the fronts soon! we still have lot of miles left ! My Smart tire was showing max 127 durring our 2500miles return travel to Noerwest.
Mike at Newell said: thet we are lucky since we dont have to do any modifications to the fanders and wheel's studs etc. so the total was to be around $2800
Price is good and we too will play safe and go with it!
I found out interesting that some places , trucks stops etc , who could also do it swap for 365's they will buy off your old tires in exhange , what they do with them , they sell them to the Farmers etc. you coiuld get around $800 for it aspecilaly if the tires are in good shape ! the alu, rims are very $$$ and they can be sold as pair.
My Smart tire small screen device its in ver bad spot to see, is nayone knows if there are complex wiring , or I can just cut the wires move it and splise them together.
Best,
Les
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05-11-2012, 06:30 PM
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ok, how do i tell if i would need to modify the fender skirts or not? i need to replace all my tires and if they last 5 years vs 3 on the front and i have to replace the ones i have, if there is not fender skirt modification it is maybe kind of a no brainer.
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05-11-2012, 07:17 PM
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It depends on hub size and not just fender flares. I had the upgrade last year and only needed wheels,tires and the mud flaps re attached differently. I have what are considered the small hubs that require no modification and the wheels well flares were perfect. Total cost on #646 was $2900 give or take. If you take some measurements I would think that Newell can tell you over the phone.
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05-11-2012, 07:33 PM
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so the tires you put on were 365 70r 22.5?
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05-11-2012, 07:54 PM
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Tom, according to my records, wheels and tires only applies to 1997 coach 443 through 2004 coach 696 (except 671, 681, and 685), so your coach would should not need any fender modifications. Not sure about the hub issue.
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05-11-2012, 10:46 PM
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Yes, 365/70/22.5's
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05-12-2012, 04:32 AM
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Hi Tom,
im fairly sure almost every coach between 2001-2003 can have the 365s without any modification. I was at Newell last week, and every coach but one that I saw had upgraded to the 365. I even saw a 2001 that
put the 365 on his tag axle too.
The tire size you posted is correct too.
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05-12-2012, 05:17 PM
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I would strongly recommend the tire and wheel upgrade. A few years ago I blew the two front tires on my Country Coach, one on Interstate 10. Believe me, this is something you do not want to happen. I recently put the new 365s and Alcoa wheels on my 2001 with no modifications. I was fortunate to locate them locally in Arizona for an all-in cost of $2,650 and avoided having to ship them from Miami. My tag axle tires had a flat spot on each, so I merely moved the 315s from the front to the tag, thus saving the cost of new tag tires. Good luck.
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05-13-2012, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Chester B. Stone, Jr.
I would strongly recommend the tire and wheel upgrade. A few years ago I blew the two front tires on my Country Coach, one on Interstate 10. Believe me, this is something you do not want to happen. I recently put the new 365s and Alcoa wheels on my 2001 with no modifications. I was fortunate to locate them locally in Arizona for an all-in cost of $2,650 and avoided having to ship them from Miami. My tag axle tires had a flat spot on each, so I merely moved the 315s from the front to the tag, thus saving the cost of new tag tires. Good luck.
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Hi Chester,
Just curious cause I've been thinking about a similar upgrade for my 2002 BlueBird Wanderlodge. What pressures do you run in the 365's? What pressure did you run in your old 315's that were replaced? How would you compare the ride and handling? What's the cost of the 365's compared to the 315's? Do you have any issues with availability? Does the coach have any clearance issues full lock steering to full lock? Do you have IFS?
Thanks,
David Brady
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05-13-2012, 02:46 AM
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110lbs on the 365's and 130 on the 315's. No clearence issues and the ride is better.Worth the $ for the piece of mind.
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05-13-2012, 03:47 PM
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Hi David. I installed the 365s in Tucson and drove into Mexico with a noticeable improvement in the ride on Mexican roads. I currently carry 120 in the front tires, but as soon as I weigh the front end, I may lower the pressure for a smoother ride, but will base this on Newell's advise. I carried 130 in the 315s but reduced to 110 when I put them on the tag. I cannot compare costs since I did not buy or price the 315s. As to availability, the seller in Tucson had the wheels and tires in about 4 days. No clearance issues with my 2001 model and I had the 7/8" studs. Not sure what IFS means. Most important, I feel much safer even if I had no improvement in the ride, and this is especially valid for me since I drive often between San Carlos, Mexico, and the US.
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05-15-2012, 04:16 AM
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i took the plunge and ordered the alcoa wheels for the 365 tire upgrade today.
i got the pricing on the michelin tires and they are about the same as the 315's.
will get new 315's for the rest.
i should not have to do any modifications according to newell and what everyone else here is saying.
thanks
tom
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06-02-2012, 07:16 AM
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i got the tires and new wheels installed today.
paid for the tires through the michelin advantage program.
just for your info.
315 80r 22.5 michelin xza2 energy 586.18 52.83 plus sales tax for 690 each
365 70r 22.5 michelin xza 589.36 33.08 plus sales tax for 672.00 each
and 180 for mounting and balancing
for the new front alcoa wheels about $1100 and i sold the old ones for $300
so a total of $6464 for all 8 tires and new wheels.
the front 365 upgrade counting wheels was ~$2200 and only $760 more than just replacing the front tires with the 315's.
btw, it was 111 degrees today here....gettin toasty
later
tom
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06-11-2012, 01:03 PM
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Tom,
Something to consider in the future is putting the 365s on the tag axle. By doing so you would in effect be carrying a spare for the front in the case of an emergency. It can only be done on coaches from about 2000 up.
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