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Old 10-22-2013, 05:21 PM   #51
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HoosierDaddy.....Love the name!!! The Carole Ann is a GREAT coach, although very neglected for many years she's got good bones and will be a great hobby for my wife and I hopefully long into our retirement. Being that I'm only 45 hopefully diesel won't be $10/gal by then. The Carole Ann has 2 heating systems, a Coleman forced air furnace and a coolant heater with front and rear cores. Neither worked when we bought the coach but both are working well now. I'm still looking for an operating manual for the Coleman (heck, Coleman doesn't even list the model as something that they built). I still have to re-seal the duct work on the furnace but we've already winterized her for the season. As for the generator, it's in the rear and originally had an Onan. Right now it has a Generac that runs but does not produce any electricity. I don't believe it is anything serious, maybe just a fried circuit board, but I've had higher priority items to fix. There is a separate 15 gallon gas tank for the generator since the coach has been converted to diesel. I have an Onan generator sitting in my garage which I was going to install this winter, however the more I think of it the more I'm leaning toward putting a diesel generator in and using the 15 gallon tank as a diesel reserve. We'll see, all depends on if I can find a decent affordable diesel generator. My highest priority right now is brakes. Newell was no help in trying to identify what type of brakes I have on the coach and now I've blown a rear wheel cylinder. There are 2 wheel cylinders per rear wheel and I'll need to pull the axles to get the drums off. The only thing I can do right now is take it to my brother-in-laws shop, pull the axles and take the parts to a brake shop and hope they can match them up. I'd like to replace all 6 of the wheel cylinders. Next thing that makes me nervous are the vacuum boosters. I'd love to find one or two to put on the shelf for when the inevitable happens, at least we wouldn't be grounded for months looking for parts. Other than that, Carole Ann was built with chauffeur's quarters and will need to have the chauffeur's bathroom rebuilt. I'll need a toilet, sink, faucets... I'd like to have items true to the '70's as we're trying to keep most things true to the period.......except for the microwave and flat screens! If you ever run across some Newell emblems I'd love those too, but we've had no luck as of yet. I may have some made, but that will be after generator, reuhpolstery, bathroom and repairing several compartment floors. Thanks for your interest!!!
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:17 AM   #52
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I would start in the Ford bin for brake parts. If all else fails you could change the brake back plate. That is what I did on my '78. It had the old Wedge-style air brakes. I got the modern "S" cam style hardware from the salvage yard. You might check into putting disc brakes on the front axle. (especially if you plan to pull a trailer) Most of these parts are interchangeable for many different years. You could rebuild the brake cylinders if the kits are still available. Does your Newell have a remote master cylinder? If so it might be easier and cheaper to replace the whole unit with more modern components. I'm not sure about Newell but most motorhomes of that vintage used "step van" or bread truck style frames and running gear. Many still do. I see them all the time as they come by my house on the way to the manufacturer. The MH frames are black and the step-van frames are galvanized.
If that Generac is belt-driven you might be able to replace the engine with a small diesel engine.
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Old 10-23-2013, 02:23 PM   #53
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HoosierDaddy,

I just noticed your signature is "Always Fixing Something!" I can relate as I do just about everything myself, ripped out our kitchen to studs-drywall-wiring-plumbing-cabinets, finished basement, 1978 Crestliner boat with a '69 Johnson engine, 1974 Sears Suburban tractor with Onan BF engine, 2 1972 Suzuki TS enduro's and on and on, oh....always a vacuum cleaner to repair as my 2 kids always seem to kill one when I'm away on a trip. We sold our 1973 Midas Mini motorhome which was on a Dodge B-300 chassis in April which helped purchase the Newell. It took 4 years to restore but was simply 2 small for our family. All of this has been done on a budget as I was laid off 4 times in a 6 year period. Hopefully those lay-offs are behind us.

Sadly Newell has not been able to provide me with any info on our coach beyond who ordered it and what what they ordered. I've joined many forums in an attempt to identify what it is that we've got but I'm really not making any progress. The Ford forum sent me a parts breakdown of a 1971 F-600 brake system but it doesn't look anything like what I've got and does not mention the 2 boosters at all. Our master cylinder is right under the floor where the brake pedal is, it looks just like any other brake master cylinder. It pumps fluid to 2 vacuum boosters which are located behind the driver side front wheel, one for the front brakes and one for the rear. These look OLD and I worry what I'd do if they fail. Name:  DSC_4891LoRes.jpg
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But it appears that you have to pull out the axle shafts from the rear to remove the rear drums and I haven't had time to get that done just for an inspection. Now that I've blown the seal in one of them I have to get to it. I will probably just rebuild the wheel cylinders if they are in decent shape, there is even a place that will re-sleve them if we can't determine what kit to order.Name:  RearLoRes.jpg
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I don't think our coach has a galvanized frame and it kind of zig-zags around in the back to make room for the chauffeur's waste tank. Since it has the engine up front and Newell prided themselves on building rear engine chassis, I was hoping that this was built on a common Ford chassis since it has many Ford electrical parts and had a Ford engine. I just haven't seen any Ford emblems on anything to give me evidence as to what chassis it might be.

The Generac is belt driven but I haven't seen too many vertical shaft diesels. It's a 2 pole generator also which would require 3200 rpm and I still like the 1600 rpm that the 4 pole Onan turns. But if you know of a vertical shaft diesel that will run at 3200.....

There are lots of modifications I'd like to perform such as changing the rear High gear ratio to allow a higher top speed. Right now we're limited to 63 mph and that's running the diesel at the red-line. Not something I want to do. She's really a 55 mph machine right now. Click image for larger version

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New brakes would also be nice, but our focus is just getting things running, safe and reliable. New motor and transmission mounts and carrier bearings are also on the list of things to replace. I'm going to face the same problems with trying to locate those as well as the engine was replaced in 1981 with a diesel and we still don't know what chassis was used.

Thanks thanks thanks for help and advice!
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Old 10-23-2013, 05:28 PM   #54
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I added quite a few pictures to my Flickr account today. If anyone's interested:

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Old 10-23-2013, 10:05 PM   #55
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I like the two speed diff, that would be nice in the steep grades. Is there a tag on it? If not there should be a number stamped into the case, if you can locate that you should be able to get the specs for it from a transmission gear shop. Maybe you could find your brake parts this way also. They would have used a lower gear ratio with a gas engine
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:31 AM   #56
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Keith, I bet that Cummins/Allison setup of yours is pretty sweet too! Despite the fact that we had no electrics working on our drive from California to Ohio, she took the mountains with ease. She's not a speed demon anyway so 35-40 mph was common, but no tendencies to overheat and the transmission stayed cool too. My brother in law is a diesel mechanic and drove a truck over the road for many years, so he came with me and checked me out on the 2 speed, the allison 6 speed and the Detroit. We got her home with few issues. Now that I'm maintaining her is when I blow the radiator, blow the brakes....at least with little consequence. I feel pretty confident in the hard parts and that once all of the systems have been gone through we will have a great and unique coach.
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The cummins allison is a sweet setup and works well, the only thing is my gears were changed out to 5:88 which makes 6th gear (.65:1) rev @ 2000 rpm if it had the stock 5:29 it would do 72mph @2000. I do plan on changing it out along with the suspension. More than likely becuase of the low powered high reving 555.
I had a 93 s1900 deck truck that had hydraulic disc brakes a few years ago they should be all over in the wrecking yards, I don't think it would be too hard to change yours over with not much cost, just a thought.
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Old 05-14-2014, 11:58 PM   #58
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It's been a while since I've posted since we've been pretty busy on the Carole Ann and other projects. Over the winter I overhauled an Onan 6.5k generator and had an aluminum fuel tank custom built to replace the rusted out steel tank. After removing the Generac unit, I welded in some patches, sanded, primed and painted the steel. I also covered the old dusty fiberglass insulation with fire resistant/sound padding. I just got the generator in the compartment yesterday.
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Next week I'll get to work on the fuel tank installation which will include installing a fuel gauge, sending unit and associated wiring. Since the tank fits behind the entry steps I'll also install a step light while I'm crawling around under the coach.

We also purchased a 1981 Honda Accord (1st generation) with 37,000 miles to tow behind using a tow dolly. If anyone knows of a reasonably priced tow dolly with brakes near Ohio...
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The pics look great. Nice work keeping that vintage Newell in great shape.
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We took the Carole Ann on a 1200 mile trip from Ohio to Virginia Beach and back last week. The Newell performed wonderfully up and down the many hills along the way. The new brakes worked great but the transmission retarder made their use almost unnecessary. It was great to finally have a generator to run the air conditioning while running down the road when it got hot or humid.



The old Detroit pulled the "new" Honda and dolly like they weren't even there and what a pleasure to have a car at your destination when you get there!

Only glitch was a pretty good leak from one of my transmission cooler lines which has rustproofed most of the undercarriage and most of the Honda. I'll be getting new transmission and power steering lines in a couple of weeks.

Hope everyone is well.
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