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460 11/20/2001 6:50:26 PM 11/21/2001 Gene Morace genemorace@hotmail.com Winter mountain driving... Tuga,
No driving tips as far as driving your coach other than go slow. I've never driven my coach in the winter either, but my wife and I are planning to be in Breckenridge for a couple of weeks as well on or about the 10th or 11th of Feburary.
As for the roads in Colorado, they are usually kept in very good condition as far as keeping them clear of snow. I-70 from Denver is usually in good shape unless there is a major storm. The back roads coming out of Colorado Springs could be a little more tricky. I have invested in a set of chains just in case; you might consider the same. I would assume from your address that you are from Louisiana; We will be coming from LA (Lower Alabama). See you in Feburary.
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461 11/20/2001 6:58:43 PM 11/21/2001 Gene Morace genemorace@hotmail.com towable vehicles I am towing a Jeep Wrangler. As far as I know, any of the Jeep products (4x4) tow easily with nothing to do but add a tow bar and tail light wiring. The Wrangler is light and hardly noticable, but a little short on room especially for more than 2 people. I am considering the new Jeep Liberty. Larger than the Wrangler and smaller than the Grand Cherokee.

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462 11/21/2001 7:56:57 PM 11/22/2001 jc jvclark02@cs.com Shocks for a '78 Have you tried Koni's? They are not cheap, but niether is the ride. If your front is air ride, I can give you the numbers. E-mail me

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463 12/1/2001 10:54:42 AM 12/1/2001 Harry Wuner wharvonw@juno.com Shocks for a '78 I put KONI shocks on my 1982 39 foot 692 engine. Koni shocks are adjustable and i can truly say my Newell drives and rides like a porsche. Paid about 110.00 each. PS Koni has a lifetime warranty.

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464 12/1/2001 11:06:17 AM 12/1/2001 Harry Wuner wharvonw@juno.com California's length limit on motorcoaches New law just passed in California,out of state licenses OK. In state check with DMV. Saw this in the paper about the 25th of Nov.2001

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465 12/1/2001 11:43:06 AM 12/1/2001 Harry Wuner wharvonw@juno.com Datron Satellite System I have a Datron DBS-3000 mobile satellite system I purchased about three years ago.The system will work perfect one time and the next time will stop somewhere between up and stow.I then have to go on the roof and pull it down.I have asked around at the FMCA shows but still haven,t found a fix.Do other people out there have trouble with there Datron? or is mine the odd one.A letter to the factory produced no results.The wiring has been checked out. When in a stuck position some times turning off the power a short time will make it work. any Ideas?

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466 12/2/2001 9:46:10 AM 12/7/2001 otto burleson otto@spinn.net Datron Satellite System Have used Datron 3000 for some time. No troubles - One thing I learned
the 12 volt connection MUST provide a load capability of 7 amps continually.

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467 12/2/2001 10:47:26 AM 12/7/2001 John Wentling Wedmax@aol.com Datron Satellite System Check the pivot bolts for the dish.
Had the same problem one bolt out the other loose.
Replaced and tightened and the problem was fixed.

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468 12/9/2001 12:10:14 PM 12/10/2001 Harry Wunerr wharvonw@juno.com info needed I have a 82 6/92 pretty stock. I can send pictures if this model would help.

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469 12/9/2001 9:15:36 PM 12/10/2001 randy breuer www.rbreuer73@aol.com towable vehicles check out motorhome january 2002 dinghy tow guide on page54, setting up dinghy page64

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470 12/10/2001 7:50:43 PM 12/12/2001 Linda Schneider ltschneider@earthlink.net Icemaker replacement bucket Our 1979 Newell came equiped with an Instamatic Icemaker from La Salle Deitch Company of Elkhark, Indiana. The icemaker works quite well but our ice bucket is falling apart. The company seems to no longer exist and I am wondering if you have any suggestions for finding a new Ice Bucket - part number 524 on the original users manual?

Thanks for any suggestions

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471 12/11/2001 2:20:57 PM 12/12/2001 Tuga Gaidry tuga@cajun.net polishing aluminum wheels I also endorse the Busch Cleaning kit; it works great!
Also, buy the wax & seal product to keep the shine longer.
Busch Enterprises phone number is 704 878-2067.

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472 12/12/2001 7:18:25 AM 12/12/2001 Tech Talk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com Icemaker replacement bucket As we recall, the Instamatic icemaker line was acquired by U-Line some 20 years ago. The U-Line ice makers we used through the 80s and into the early 90s appear to be identical to the Instamatic units.

Some parts for older model Instamatic icemakers are still available from U-Line. We suggest you call U-Line customer service at 414-354-0300. It would be helpful if you had the model number of the ice maker, as well as the dimensions of the ice bucket. The part number for the bucket you referenced is obsolete.

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473 12/14/2001 4:42:44 PM 12/15/2001 Jeff BubbaJePH@aol.com roof paint On the bus boards they talk about KoolSeal paint. I saw a MCI with the paint on it's roof & it really was cooler under the painted surface. I was told it is very much water repellent. Can find the stuff at Home Depot & Lowe's. Hope this helps.

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474 12/17/2001 3:25:38 PM 12/21/2001 Leon Goldstein metapsych@earthlink.net Auxiliary Braking Systems I would like to learn about the relative advantages and problems of auxiliary braking systems, e.g. "Jake" brakes, Pac brakes, and transmission retarders.

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475 12/22/2001 6:43:27 PM 12/26/2001 ken mccarl mccarlk@home.com 8v92 LOOKING FOR A GOOD USED 8V92 OR REBUIDABLE CORE , PLEASE EMAIL ME OR CALL TOOL FREE @1-877-896-2628 KEN

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477 12/26/2001 2:51:09 PM 12/26/2001 K.H. 'Ki' Punilei khpaladin@aol.com Merge Switch and Solenoid I found that our 1981 Newell has only one merge switch which is mounted in the front 'House' battery compartment. As TechTalk noted above one side of the merge switch is tied to the 'engine' batteries and the other side is tied to the 'house' batteries. The dash 'Merge" switch is wire the same way with 'house' on one side and 'engine' on the other, with power to the solenoid from the middle pole.

As TechTalk noted above the batteries can be merged by the solenoid powered by either bank of batteries. When on shore power I use the dash switch in 'house' position to charge batteries through the ProSine 2500 inverter/charger. When driving down the road I use the dash switch in 'engine' position to charge batteries through the alternator. When the coach is in storage with no power supply, the dash switch is in the 'OFF' position. I also put both 'house' and 'engine' battery master disconnects in the 'OFF' position to alliviate draining either battery bank.

Best Regards,

Ki and the 'Redhead'

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478 12/27/2001 11:50:45 AM 12/27/2001 Lonnie Williams filtech1@hiwaay.net 1973 Newell Motor Coac h I have a 1972 Newell that I have 45,000 invested in. It has
a new cat 3208 reworked trans, new tires, new paint.
I love my coach and I get more compliments on it.

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479 1/1/2002 4:09:10 AM 1/1/2002 pat mchale patmchale1@yahoo.com Winter mountain driving... Most roads in Colorado are kept in decent shape in the winter. They may be snow packed and icy though. We have had our 34'to Breck around Christmas and didn't have any problems with the ice.The # for road conditions is; 303-639-1111. I would defenitely disconnect the tow vehicle. The extra weight in back could make for some interesting situations in the mountains. The best advise for driving on snow and ice is slow is better. Forget about brakes and use the engine brake because it is usually not as abrupt.

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480 1/9/2002 6:41:58 AM 1/10/2002 roger newill rnewill@lyall.com microwave toilet do you know of a microwave toilet? probably 110 volts, and is just what it sounds like - similar to an Incinolet, but microwave rather than conventional burning of domestic wastes.

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481 1/10/2002 8:46:58 PM 1/12/2002 Patricia Barrett Fishergrl2@aol.com 1978 Newell purchase I am considering purchase of a 78 Newell. The price seems right at 44,000. Interior is very appealing for my needs. Is this a good price? As aged as it is, am I to be expecting great deals of upgrading? I have yet to get many details, very fresh into the deal. I would greatly appreciate input.T5 Cummins, power steering , 5 speed Allison auto, are these good? Sure sounds appealing!
Any advice, please call, all info welcome 847-587-4545, ask for Patti I love the thought of becoming part of this Newell FAMILY

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482 1/15/2002 7:36:41 PM 1/18/2002 Ann Haynes jdh1214@msn.com Replacing curtains Does anyone know how or where I can get new curtains for a 1970 Newell Coach?? We just bought it and I really don't like the print and the previous owners smoked so I would like to replace them.

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483 1/17/2002 7:57:30 PM 1/18/2002 BUZZ WAID EWAID@AOL.COM graphics I AM PREPARING TO RE PAINT MY 91 COACH WITH AN ALL AMERICAN DESIGN RED WHITE AND BLUE . I NEED A GRAPHICS DESIGNER TO HELP ME WITH THIS PROJECT . CAN SOMEONE POINT ME IN THE CORECT DIRECTION. THANKS BUZZ WAID "GOD BLESS AMERICA"

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484 1/18/2002 7:40:55 AM 1/18/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Replacing curtains There are no "standard" drapes for Newells. All of the drapery was made to the particular windows and floorplan of each coach, and in the material selected by the customer. To replace drapes, the coach can be brought to the factory or, if this is not convenient, customer drapes can be obtained from any source who fabricates custom drapes for homes.

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485 1/22/2002 12:25:25 AM 1/27/2002 DENNIS HOGGE hogair1@yahoo.com ANTI-LOCK BRAKES? I JUST DID MY 1ST PANIC STOP IN MY 78 NEWELL! DIDN'T WORK. 100 FT. OF FRONT TIRE SKID MARKS. [NO CRASH] CAN I GET AN ANTI-SKID FOR AIR BRAKES?

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486 1/24/2002 6:13:28 PM 1/27/2002 1978 Newell purchase We own a '78, but it has a Detroit engine, so I can't speak to the value of the one you are looking at. I think that the engine made quite a difference in the construction of those models. We bought ours 7 years ago at $67.5K. We have put a lot into it, but we remain happy with our investment. It is comfortable, and is built solidly enough that you can remodel and upgrade without throwing your money down the drain.
I would definitely have the major items, such as the engine and transmission checked out. Take a look too at the amount of rust in the underneath compartments and under the coach. Our coaches sometimes have a problem with the aluminum skin reacting to the steel frame below floor level and at front and back. You end up with rusted steel frame or pitting and holes in the skin. If you find any of that, it's probably worth having a truck or bus body shop check it out. The Newell factory will eventually fix ours when we are ready.
It is probably best to try hard to be objective in adding up how much will have to be replaced in the first couple of years, but it is best to do so. That way you are going into it with your eyes open.
For all of that caution, we are very happy with our coach. When we take it to the factory, we hear a lot from the older guys about how well they built them in those days, just as they do today.
Bottom line, once you have a sense for costs to get it the way you want it, and you have heard about the pluses and minuses of that engine (call Newell at 1-888-3Newell), you will probably be able to make a good decision. I think you will find the factory service guys willing to give you a good assessment.
Sincerely,
Dick Quirk

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487 1/27/2002 8:55:31 AM 1/27/2002 Dick Quirk quirkrjiii@cs.com Cruise Control for a 78 The cruise control for my '78 (38.5ft, 6V92TA) has never worked since we bought the coach in '95. Anyone know how we can get it repaired?

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488 1/27/2002 9:06:18 AM 1/27/2002 Dick Quirk quirkrjiii@cs.com '78 Newell Fuel Tank Leaking My fuel tank has begun seeping diesel, apparently at the weld seams holding the mounting plates on the tank itself. Those mounting plates are L shaped, and flare out, providing a hole for bolting the tank to the frame of the coach. There is also considerable rust on the bottom of the tank, so I am assuming the tank needs replacement. We live in the DC area. The seep is probably less than a cup over a month long period as the Coach sits still. Don't know what we are losing while traveling. Recommendations for repair or replacement?

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490 1/30/2002 1:48:22 PM 2/2/2002 Vick Nelson VICKNELSON@AOL.COM graphics BUZZ, I JUST HAD MY 90 MODEL REPAINTED BY COLE ENTERPRISES IN DALLAS. PAUL DAVIS AT MR OLIVERS IN PRINCETON TX TOOK CARE OF THE DETAILS. WE REPLACED THE FRONT MOULDING TO LOOK LIKE THE 2000 MODEL. COLE SENT ME COMPUTERIZED DRAWINGS BEFORE WE GOT STARTED. THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB. WE JUST WENT TO NEW BRAUNFELS TX AND THE PEOPLE NEXT TO US AT THE RV PARK THOUGHT OUR COACH WAS NEW. IT LOOKS THAT GOOD. CALL PAUL DAVIS AT MR OLIVERS HIS NUMBER IS 972-562-8008.

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491 2/2/2002 11:58:51 AM 2/2/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com '78 Newell Fuel Tank Leaking A good sheet metal shop should be able to remove and inspect the tank. If the rust is just on the surface, it may be possible to repair simply by rewelding the seams. Otherwise, you may need to have the shop fabricate a new tank.

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492 2/2/2002 12:02:10 PM 2/2/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Cruise Control for a 78 Newell stocks replacement cruise control assemblies for coaches of this vintage that can be used if parts are no longer available for the original equipment model installed on your coach. Contact the Newell Service Department at 1-888-963-9355, ext. 237.

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493 2/3/2002 5:11:26 PM 2/3/2002 Rich Farr toptin@aol.com 1979 Newell We need replacements for orig equip electric heaters. Also a troubleshooting schematic for the air leveling system.
Any 1979 Newell experts out there? Thanks in advance.

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494 2/3/2002 5:35:14 PM 2/3/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 1979 Newell For information on electric heaters, go on the board back to the thread starting 1/7/01. A
495 2/3/2002 5:44:40 PM 2/4/2002 Rich Farr toptin@aol.com Oil grades We have a 1979 Newell with 6V92DD (non-turbo) with 105K miles. Althought the engine is superb - the oil pressure has always been lower than I would like to see - approx 15 @ idle and 35 at cruise. We use Mobil 40 Wt - 2 Questions -
Would the Del Vac 1 Multivis cause the oil pressure to drop any lower? And, is there anyway to improve the oil pressure?

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496 2/3/2002 8:10:26 PM 2/4/2002 Rudy Briner rbriner@aol.com 8v92 Look in the "Big Truck Trader" you can pick up at local truck stop. In the back will be all kinds of accessories like engines in all stages of use. You can also find complete rebuild kits if you are so inclined.

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497 2/3/2002 8:16:57 PM 2/4/2002 Rudy Briner rbriner@aol.com 1973 Newell Motor Coac h I bought my 1978 with Detroit Diesel over a year ago. I traded up! from a 1997 American Dream. With 5 times the mileage and 5 times the years, it drove better and rattled less. We are all used to frequent repairs, but my friend and road companion in a 2000 HR Endeavor is repairing something all the time the same as I.

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498 2/3/2002 8:18:53 PM 2/4/2002 Rudy Briner rbriner@aol.com My 1970 Newell Motor Choach Call the factory with the serial # and there is probably comeone there who can remember your coach.

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499 2/4/2002 8:51:30 AM 2/4/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Oil grades If you prefer a synthetic lube oil, Detroit Diesel recommends a Mobil straight 40 weight synthetic marketed by Mobil under the Mobilguard SHC 1 brand name. We stock it in bulk for use in our service department, but it is also available in gallon containers from Mobil. The same product can be purchased from Detroit Diesel distributors under their own brand name.

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500 2/4/2002 6:28:59 PM 2/9/2002 Rich Farr toptin@aol.com 1978 Newell purchase Dear Pat,
We have recently purchased a 79 Newell 38 1/2 with a Detroit 6V92 (non turbo) and Allison 5 speed. We paid top dollar but it is in exceptional condition. Even so, it surprising what all is needed, just to get it baselined before we venture too far from home. We had previously looked at a 73 with a Cummins 555. Also a 82 with a Cummins 903. After talking to Cummins, we passed on the 555 because they are hard to get parts for. Other owners have also relayed that they are underpowered. The cost of an engine swap is prohibitive - so you want to get one with an engine you can live with. The 903 Cummins has plenty of power and parts are somewhat more available. We went for the 6V92DD. They are more complex and noisy - but seem to be the most popular (from a service standpoint). If in good shape, they will last a long time. Bottom line - we would rather have an older Newell - than a much newer fiberglass coach. They have the potential of being a 'classic' - sort of like a '57 Chevy. They always draw a crowd. Success on your efforts.
Rich Farr
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501 2/5/2002 8:30:53 PM 2/9/2002 Jim Weckman jweckman@hutchtel.net Cruise Control for a 78 You can also try King Controls 5100 West 36th Street St. Louis Park, Mn. 55416 {952} 922-6889.

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502 2/9/2002 8:02:50 AM 2/10/2002 DENNIS HOGGE hogair1@yahoo.com '78 Newell Fuel Tank Leaking HELLO, YOU CAN ALSO USE A SLOSHING TANK SEALER. I USE IT ON AIRCRAFT, CALL AIRCRAFT SPRUCE 1 877 477 7823. YOU DO HAVE TO TAKE THE TANK OUT.

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503 2/19/2002 9:08:10 AM 2/19/2002 Gary Reddick greddick@earthlink.net TV SET REMOVAL I need to remove the 32" Panasonic Tv from the overhead to rewire the sound system. Are the two retaining brackets at the top of the enclosure the only retainers? I can't find any obvious method of securing the TV at the bottom.

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504 2/20/2002 7:46:36 AM 2/21/2002 otto burleson bigdog1930@yahoo.com Check Engine Light Ref staff respon 7/31/01 - as of today - 2-20-02 - DDEC I is not showing ANY errors and the check engine light has been on many many times for as much as 3 to 8 minutes. Long enough to register.

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505 2/21/2002 7:52:02 AM 2/21/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com TV SET REMOVAL Typically, the bottom of the television is secured with screws to a plywood base. The plywood base is then placed into the cabinet cavity and screwed to the floor of the cabinet..

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506 2/22/2002 10:36:39 PM 2/24/2002 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com towable vehicles I tow a 2001 Chevy Suburban behind my 1995 w/series 60 engine. I use a Remco drive shaft disconnect and haven't had any problems. I can't even tell that I am towing anything unless I look in the video monitor. Engaging and dis-engaging the drive shaft must be done as instructed. If not, you will have problems. Vehicle must be on, and in Neutral, then turn off ignition and pull cable. To engage: Vehicle on, and in Neutral, turn vehicle off and engage cable, it will catch the drive shaft as it slows to a stop. Good Luck, email me if you have any other questions.

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507 2/24/2002 10:56:19 AM 2/24/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com 1979 Newell Replacement heaters are made by Qmark, 470 Beauty Sot Road, East Bennettsville, SC 29512. Call Carrol Appliance Parts at 800 654 3545 for parts. Grainger also carries their heaters, but they are about 25% more costly.

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508 2/24/2002 7:35:31 PM 2/25/2002 Colby Phillips phillco_us@yahoo.com license WHAT KIND OF LICENSE IS REQUIRED TO DRIVE A COACH, (I.E. FOR MY SELF OR FOR SOMEONE ELSE). THANKS

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509 2/25/2002 5:35:53 AM 2/25/2002 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com license Typically, an ordinary motor vehicle driver's license is all that is required. A couple of exceptions we are aware of: California's new regulations extending the legal length limit to 45 feet has some special requirements for an endorsement allowing the operation of vehicles in excess of 40 feet. This requirement extends only to operators carrying California motor vehicle licenses. Out-of-state drivers can operate coaches up to 45 feet in California without special licensing. In addition, in all states, if a coach is being operated commercially, such as a corporate hospitality coach, a Commercial Driver's License (CDL) may be required. However, under most circumstances, a valid basic operator's license is all that is required. In addition, we have never seen the CDL requirement enforced. Attempts to require additional special licensing have been consistently defeated based primarily upon the excellent safety statistics for large coaches, with much lower accident and fatality rates than passenger cars. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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510 2/25/2002 6:24:10 PM 2/25/2002 Leon A. Goldstein metapsych@earthlink.net microwave toilet I found this concept intriguing too. This sarcastic report is the only thing I have found.
http://www.sonic.net/~paul/humour/msg00176.html

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511 2/25/2002 8:58:44 PM 2/26/2002 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com Aqua Hot digital reading.. My Aqua Hot is registering weird temperatures. The water is hot and the heaters are heating, but the reading is very low. It used to read 200 max. And would fluctuate when hot water was used. Gary in parts recommended changing the sending unit. I will try that when I get it. Any hints on where it is located? And I don't see any coolant in the overflow reservoir. Should I add some coolant? What is the proper amount to add if needed? Should I be able to see coolant in the reservoir when hot? All advice is appreciated from fellow Newellies and Tech support.

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512 2/26/2002 10:19:24 AM 2/27/2002 D. Wolfe dennis.wolfe@nordstrom.com How Much Trouble Are They? We are considering purchasing a 1987 38' coach, DD 8V92 engine and 4-speed Allison. I've read in several MH forums that 'you have to expect things to break on something that old'. But how much trouble are they, really? Do you have problems every trip or once-in-awhile? Are the problems fairly minor or major? I'm not expecting THE answer, just want to hear your experiences. I'm fairly mechanically inclined, but I don't want to get in over my head. Thanks.

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513 2/26/2002 8:45:05 PM 2/27/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com '78 Newell Fuel Tank Leaking I had the the same problem several years back with a 1979. My problem was finding someone who removed fuel tanks and did welding. I finally gave up and lined two garbage cans with several heavy duty plastic garbage bags and using an old shurflo water pump transfered the 60 gallons of fuel into the cans. It was than pretty easy to pull the tank and haul it to the local welding shop. Be sure they weld around the mounts and the fitting. Also make sure to flush it with a little diesel before installing. Now, using the same pump, put the fuel back in. An old water hose, a used water pump(from your rig?) and some hose clamps is all you need.

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514 2/26/2002 8:48:15 PM 2/27/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com Cruise Control for a 78 If you have a vacuum powered model like I did, I suggest you upgrade to the King control. It will reduce the workload on your compressor.

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515 2/26/2002 9:16:43 PM 2/27/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com ANTI-LOCK BRAKES? The good news is, you have great front brakes, the bad news is, your front tires are now out of round. On a more serious note, you might want to check your rear slack adjusters to insure your rear duals are doing their job. If all the stuff/junk in your cabinets slid forward and your wife was screaming at you, your brakes are probably fine. Stopping 30,000 lbs real quick is not an option. I owned a 79 for 8 years (140,000 miles) and never had to lock the brakes. I did reposition (back to front)assorted items within the coach on several occasions (following to close or not paying attention, according to my wife). Anti-skid brakes are possible, but the cost will probably equal the price of a new low end coach, and you will still not stop as fast as you would like.

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516 2/26/2002 9:19:32 PM 2/27/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com Replacing curtains Try Camping World 800 626 5944 or if your willing to switch to blinds- Lowes or Home Depoy

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518 2/27/2002 5:29:46 PM 3/1/2002 Rich Farr toptin@aol.com How Much Trouble Are They? Dennis,
We have a 1979 38 1/2 foot with 6V92DD and Allison 5 speed.
It is very well made and we have seen a few approaching 500K miles. It is wise to keep them under roof and on cement to avoid rust on undercarriage. Ours has 105K and we have had no major problems - just small stuff like awning springs, heaters, light bulbs, etc. We did have to change our power converter (battery charger) and our air leveling system is NWR. I change my own oil, filters, etc. We especially love the fact that nothing is computerized - so it makes things more friendly for the do-it-yourselfer. One thing we would love about a 1987 is the 102" wide. If it has tag axle, that will give you better braking, but you still need to slow down descending hills. Tag axle also requires class B driver's license (in this state). The 8V92 has more power (probably a 475HP) Ours is 285HP and a little anemic in the mountains - but for 10+MPG we can live with it. We cruise very comfortably at freeway speeds. As you can see, we like to talk Newell. Let us know if you would like additional conversation. Thanks.

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519 2/28/2002 8:17:16 AM 3/1/2002 Lee Davis leedavis@zebra.net Sun Shades Where can I find the electic windshield sun shades like used on the 96. Perfer white instead of black.

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520 2/28/2002 8:54:38 AM 3/1/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com How Much Trouble Are They? I have owned Newells for the past 12 years. I suggest you stop by the factory to see how they are built, it is truly amazing the amount of steel they put into the unit. Unless your unit has over a quarter million miles on it, you should be ok engine and drive train wise ( I have 250,000 miles on my 87 and have only had to replace the starter (Alaska '00)

You can expect to work on the air ride system due to the number of valves and wires, but if you keep the connections clean and use it on a regular basis the cost will be minimal. Newells are kind of like helicopters, the more you fly them, the less things leak and break. If something does go wrong, stop and think (KISS),I have wasted more money replacing things that were not broken than I care to think about. Always check your grounds and fuses first, and be sure to give the item a 'little' love tap, before replacing it. One of Newells major strengths is the use of laminates inside, they are easy to clean and last forever. We have found that wood just doesn't hold up to long time use. I also like the metal exterior and Imron paint. Compare an '87 Newell exterior to an 87 fibreglass counterpart (outdoor parking) and you can definitely see the difference.

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521 2/28/2002 9:00:50 AM 3/1/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com 1978 Newell purchase I owned a '79 and loved it (now own an '87) Dick and Rich did a great job in answering your question and I agree 100%.

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522 2/28/2002 9:08:22 AM 3/1/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com license If you are a Texas resident you will need a Class B non-CDL (over 26000 lbs). It will require a short drive and an RV related written test (plus $24) The examiner is checking to see that you can handle a 40' vehicle, without climbing onto sidewalks and backing into buildings.

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523 2/28/2002 1:32:04 PM 3/1/2002 Chuck Cawthorne Cawthorne@Cox.Net Purchase 86 Newell I am considering the purchase of a 1986 40' Newell. The coach appears to be in good condition needing only cosmetic improvements on the interior. Can you give me information about the reliability of the basement air system?

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524 2/28/2002 6:19:37 PM 3/1/2002 Rich Farr toptin@aol.com 79 Newell air leveling We have recently purchased a 79 Newell and there is no info on the air leveling. There is no brand name on the system and it is probably not original equip. It is non-computerized with a master switch, a buzzer/light and separate switches for each corner. ignition off, I can hear it click on all 4 quadrants as the switches are activated in both the up and down position. It acts like it wants to work, but no leveling. Can anyone help us obtain some operating instructions or schematic for this older air leveling system? Thnaks in advance.
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525 2/28/2002 6:46:50 PM 3/2/2002 Rich Farr toptin@aol.com How Much Trouble Are They? Dennis - 2nd try -
A 1987 Newell is an awesome coach (one of my favorites)and (with reasonable maintenance) it should last several hundred thousand miles without major system problems.
It is probably 102" wide as opposed to older 96" wide - big nice difference.
The 8V92 is a very good engine and is not hard to get service on Detroit Diesels. It is most likly 475HP with turbo. FYI - all detroit 2 cycle diesels use oil - so don't be alarmed.
We own a 1979 with 6V92DD and 5 speed Allison transmission. It is adequately powered, but definitely not an 8V92 turbo.
It gets good mileage however, so we can live with it.
If the 1987 has a tag axle, you will have better braking, but you still need to keep speed down and use jake brake when going down hills/grades. The tag axle also requires a class B driver's license in this state. Our coach is still running on original engine and transmission with 105K total miles. The worst problems we have had so far have been the heaters and power converter. All the electric heaters had to be replaced and the gas heaters currently need to be serviced. This is really minor stuff however, and you can do most yourself. You will need to become familiar with all the Newell systems - we labeled everything since there was no owners manual for 1979. As you can see, we like to talk abvout Newells. Send us an email if you care for more rhetoric.
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526 3/2/2002 3:03:58 PM 3/2/2002 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com 79 Newell air leveling Frankly, the first air leveling systems (pre-1981) are fairly crude, with manual slide-valves, and do not operate very reliably. Even new, they were often a challenge. If you want a good air leveling system, the Newell factory service department could either sell you an HWH 600 leveling system (go to: http://www.hwhcorp.com/600series.html ) in do-it-yourself kit form (would require a pretty good heavy duty mechanic to install properly) or we could do the full installation for you in the Newell service department. The downside is that you're looking at several thousand dollars for a retrofit. When you compare the costs, a good set of leveling blocks is pretty tempting.

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527 3/2/2002 3:09:15 PM 3/2/2002 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com Sun Shades The Newell service department can provide the correct electric shades for you. In addition to the original two-shade version, we now have a single shade version which also makes a good privacy shade at night, so the drapes need not be pulled around the front. The single shade is now standard on new coaches. Most have found that they can adjust the single shade adequately to work as a sun shade for both driver and co-pilot, although the adjustment flexibility is more limited than dual shades.

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528 3/2/2002 3:18:00 PM 3/2/2002 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com Aqua Hot digital reading.. We suggest you first turn off the system and allow it to cool. Then top off the fluid resouvoir (under the radiator cap), and the plastic coolant recovery tank to the marks stamped on the tank. Use a 50/50 mix of anti-freeze and water. Don't overfill the recovery tank or it will overflow when hot. But you should see fluid in the plastic tank, hot or cold. If the temperature reading is still irratic after topping off the fluid, change the sender. The sender is behind the access panel for the thermostats above the diesel burner.

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530 3/3/2002 8:17:05 AM 3/3/2002 Rich Farr toptin@aol.com Per Lux 200T Driving Lights Need to buy parts to restore PerLux200T fog/running lights on 79 Newell. Is this model still available? If not, can anyone recommend a 'round' - bolt in replacement? Thanks in advance.
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531 3/3/2002 10:08:36 AM 3/3/2002 Bob Stone bstone@hbssystems.com Auto-start Generator The Service Dept. at Newell quoted me $500 to install the Auto-start on a 1998 Newell with a 20kw Koehler Generator. I just don't know if I would use the Auto-Start, I hear about 50% of owners do not use.

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532 3/3/2002 2:05:43 PM 3/3/2002 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com Auto-start Generator The Newell factory staff is generally not inclined favorably toward the auto start feature for generators. Auto start is not a listed option for new coaches, although we will install it in production upon request. We see several problems. For example, if the system is turned on, it will start the generator even when inappropriate. Such as, the coach is stored in an enclosed building, plugged in. There is a power failure. After two or three days running off batteries, the voltage will decrease to the point where the generator starts automatically. The diesel engine running inside the enclosed building will soot up the building and the interior of the motorhome. Or perhaps the owner or a mechanic is working on the generator, having forgotten to turn off the auto start. If the auto start choses to try to start the generator, serious injury can result. Finally, we have found the auto start systems less than perfectly reliable, sometimes failing to start the generator as the batteries are depleted. This can create some consequences, perhaps a refrigerator/freezer full of spoiled food, perhaps worse. There is a lot to be said for simply starting the generator manually when needed, and turning it off when not.

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534 3/4/2002 8:29:44 AM 3/4/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Purchase 86 Newell We have found the reliability of these central air systems to be reasonably good. The more common repair parts are still available, although some of the less often required parts may be a challenge if needed. The worst case scenario after parts become unavailable would be to cut openings in the ceiling and drop in roof top units.

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535 3/5/2002 6:25:47 PM 3/7/2002 Bob Marlatt InsideGolf@cablespeed.com Ford 391 engine I have a 1973 Newell with a 391 Ford engine and the firing order in the manual and on the engine are the same (1-5- 4-2-6-3-7-8) but it is wired to, and runs well I might add, a different order(1-5-6-3-7-2-4-8). How can that be?

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536 3/5/2002 6:54:13 PM 3/7/2002 Bob Marlatt InsideGolf@cablespeed.com 1973 Newell Motor Coac h I purchased a 73 last year though it has a 391 Ford gas engine, the rest should be about the same as the one you are considering. I can't say enough good things about my older rig. But like any motorcoach, new or pre-owned, you will have to fix the odd thing from time to time. The industrial strength of the older rigs make them a good investment and a joy to drive, but you have to take good care of them to insure your safety. I am not a machanic and don't tackle the repairs on the running gear but I have made it a habit to know where I can find reliable help when I need it and keep good records of all maintainence. I wouldn't trade or sell my older coach for 5 times what I paid for it.

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537 3/6/2002 6:41:49 PM 3/7/2002 Ann Haynes jdh1214@msn.com owners manual Does anyone know how I can get an owners manual for a 1970 25 foot coach?

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538 3/7/2002 7:01:32 AM 3/7/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com owners manual We don't think an owner's manual existed until sometime during the late 1980s or early 1990s.

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539 3/7/2002 7:59:46 PM 3/7/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Ford 391 engine Our research indicates that the engine owner's manual and firing order on the engine are correct. Frankly, we don't understand how the engine would run properly with the firing order you indicate.

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540 3/7/2002 8:18:34 PM 3/7/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Per Lux 200T Driving Lights The Newell factory parts department has a selection of PerLux parts in stock, and can order most other parts for the 200T lights. You can confirm availability of specific parts by calling Gerald Williams toll free number at 1-888-963-9355, ext. 222.

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541 3/7/2002 8:39:00 PM 3/8/2002 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com Aqua Hot digital reading.. Follow up: I have topped off the resorvoir and still did not see a change in the reading. Gary in Parts sent me a sending unit and I have replaced it, and all is back to normal. I am getting normal readings up to 201 degrees. Thanks for all of the help.

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542 3/8/2002 12:29:15 AM 3/8/2002 Michael Lewis OhFastOne@aol.com Ford 391 engine Has your engine been rebuilt? If so it is possible that the rebuilder used the camshaft from another engine. Some Ford engines have interchangeable parts but depending on certain factors, the firing orders were different.

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543 3/8/2002 12:34:24 AM 3/8/2002 Michael Lewis OhFastOne@aol.com Mileage/Range of Series 60 I was wondering what kind of mileage to expect out of a 45ft. I'm trying to calculate the possible range a coach is capable of with the series 60 engine.

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544 3/11/2002 4:13:24 PM 3/11/2002 Rich Farr toptin@aol.com 18 position 30 amp fuse blocks Our 79 Newell has an 18 position 30 amp fuseblock in the bedroom cabinet. 2 or 3 positions are broken and have been bypassed. I would like to restore to original condition. Are these big fuse blocks still available - or - is there a circuit breaker type upgrade? Thanks.

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545 3/11/2002 6:18:21 PM 3/11/2002 bill burch bmburch@swbell.net Mileage/Range of Series 60 I usually run about 7 miles per gallon. If I'm heating with diesel or running the generator a lot it may figure about 6.5 over a long period of time. I fuel around 1200 miles and always have about 70 gallons in reserve. Ideally in the spring with cool weather I have run 8 mpg.

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546 3/16/2002 7:42:22 PM 3/17/2002 ron thomas thomara1@aol.com 1969Newell coach I have a 1969 Newell and have an electrical problem. I have power to the breaker box but none to the fuse box. Can someone help me with this? Thank you.

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548 3/19/2002 12:28:38 PM 3/19/2002 Dennis Wolfe dennis.wolfe@mindspring.com Front End Protection We have just purchased a 1987 38' coach with a recent paint job. I interested in what other owners do for protecting the front end from rock chips and bugs. I've searched the web, but haven't found anything. Does Newell make a bug screen?

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549 3/19/2002 9:38:46 PM 3/21/2002 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com Wastewater tank leaking? We are currently living in our coach away from home. This weekend we left our coach for a three day trip back home. We arrived back at our coach today Tuesday, and we noticed a "smell" on the outide of the coach. The inside was normal. I looked around the coach and noticed water dripping from the tankage compartment hole plug. I openned the bay door and discovered the "smell" was "black" water in the tankage compartment? I looked through both sides but could not see the source of the leak? Does anyone have any ideas on where to begin to look? And how to locate where the leak may be? The reason I say "black" water is because presently I have the main dump valve closed, and the pneumatic valve open. I believe this enables all "grey" water to exit directly to the sewer line, and keeps only the "black" water in the tank. I have already emptied the tank just in case I was getting a false reading on my display. How do I find the leak if indeed it is a leak?

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550 3/20/2002 3:34:50 AM 3/21/2002 Bob Stone bstone@hbssystems.com Front End Protection Dennis, I have 3M Protective Clear Film on the front of my Newell and I also had this on my last Motor Home. This protects very well against rock chips and bugs. Most new upper-end Coaches are coming with the Film already installed. About $1200 to have installed.

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551 3/21/2002 6:56:52 AM 3/21/2002 bill burch bmburch@swbell.net Front End Protection I recently had Coach Guard of Elkhart,In. put the vinyl film on the front of my coach. I'm very pleased with the product. It is very similar, in fact I don't think you can tell the difference in this and what is being put on the new coaches at the factory. Their number is 877-262-4100.
I believe the cost was about $1,000 with them coming to my place to do the installation. They had more jobs in the area at the time so cost may be more, but they are equipped to do the job at your location.

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552 3/21/2002 11:47:36 AM 3/21/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 18 position 30 amp fuse blocks We suggest replacing the old style fuse blocks with new style ATO fuse holders. ATO fuses are the type typically used in new automobiles. The new holders and fuses are more reliable and more compact then the old style "bus" fuses. The holders are available from Newell parts, 1-888-3NEWELL, at $22.70 for the five fuse block. The fuses, available in a variety of capacities, are extra.

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553 3/21/2002 10:27:29 PM 3/23/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com Wastewater tank leaking? What year is your coach (pre-1980)? Does it have a steel holding tank or is it plastic? If it is made of steel, read the response on 3/7/2001. How full was your tank when you found the leak (turn off the water pump and look down the toilet with a flashlight)? Do you have the electric powered waste treatment system? Was there moisture on top of the tank? Was the coach level? If so, which side was the black water dripping out of?

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554 3/27/2002 2:51:03 AM 3/27/2002 N Emerson nemerson@bellsouth.net !988 !988 40'Newell Coach. I'm considering this purchase. It has been well maintained and is excellant shape. Could you provide some ballpark sales figures. Thanks, N. Emerson

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555 3/28/2002 6:50:09 AM 3/29/2002 Harry Wuner wharvonw@juno.com Power Steering Fluid My 1982 Newell needs some power steering fluid. The power steering fluid I can buy in the stores says it's good for autos and light duty trucks. I think I have a standard Ross steering unit on my Newell, What fluid do you recommend? Thanks Harry

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556 3/29/2002 3:58:57 PM 3/29/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Power Steering Fluid Use a quality brand of Dextron automatic transmission fluid (ATF) in the Newell hyraulic system. Mobil Synthetic ATF is our preferred fluid and is installed as original factory fill on new Newells. However, it is more expensive than conventional mineral base ATF and may be difficult to find. If your Newell needs hydraulic fluid, you should also check for leaks, possibly at the pump or steering gear.

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557 3/30/2002 11:03:48 AM 3/30/2002 KEN MCCARL MCCARLK@ROGERS.COM MICHIGAN OR NEWYORK OWNERS!!!! NEED TO SEE A 1980s NEWELL, I AM TRYING TO REBUILD A BADLY BURNT 84. I NEED TO LOOK UNDER ANOTHER COACH, AND WRITE DOWN ALL THE ROUTING OF THE AIR BAG, BRAKES, TRANS, PS LINES, FUEL, ETC. PLEASE CALL OR E MAIL ME, 1-877-896-2628, KEN

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558 4/1/2002 4:35:19 PM 4/2/2002 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com Wastewater tank leaking? After calling Tommy at Newell Service, I have found the leak to be a two inch crack in the plastic holding tank. Why it just started leaking, beats the heck out of me? Luckily it was near the edge where I was able to use some "Goop" marine repair. It was a bit difficult removing the aluminum formica panel where the outside faucet is located, but I did it. Putting it back was even more challenging. Unfortunately it received several bends and scratches. Thanks John Clark for your offer to help. My coach is a 1995 with a plastic tank. Coach #401

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559 4/1/2002 4:40:40 PM 4/2/2002 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com Rear turn signal not flashing My right rear turn signal is not flashing. It comes on and stays on. My front right one works fine. My emergency flashers work fine front and back. Is there a separate relay for each light? If so, where do I find them? Is the relay easy to replace? My tow vehicle right signal works also. Where do I begin troubleshooting?

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562 4/1/2002 6:26:20 PM 4/2/2002 Charles R. Cravens craminc@juno.com microwave toilet Let me know what you find out. The concept does seem interesting.Charles

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563 4/1/2002 6:29:18 PM 4/2/2002 Charles R. Cravens craminc@juno.com roof paint I am having the KoolSeal put on my 1991 roof. The same information was provided. It was cooler and does not come off in strips. Charles A

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564 4/2/2002 2:56:42 PM 4/2/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Rear turn signal not flashing The turn signal is controlled by a silver Stancor single pole relay located on the rear terminal board. This is at the right rear corner of the coach accessed from outside. If you can't find the matching relay locally, call Newell Parts (1-888-3NEWELL) and ask them to ship you Newell part number NC8726.

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565 4/3/2002 4:28:26 AM 4/7/2002 otto burleson 1930bigdog@Yahoo.com Rear turn signal not flashing Had exact same problem - there is a green wire attached to one of the bolts that holds the rear terminal board to the frame of the coach -- Nut of the bolt is accessable inside the engine compartment - removed and cleaned the ground - trouble went away.

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567 4/8/2002 1:39:55 PM 4/9/2002 Dennis Wolfe dennis.wolfe@mindspring.com Smoking Tires I own a 1987 coach (no tag axle). What is the difference between the system I have (Skinner valves) and the 1990 system (why is it better)? What is included in the upgrade?

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568 4/9/2002 3:52:29 pm 4/10/2002 ken mccarl mccarlk@rogers.com 1984 40 ft 8v92 need info on where i can get engine mounts (round style). Also, what components i need for my rear brakes. I have the air line running to the back, thats all. Fire damage. Is there a valve assembly?

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569 4/12/2002 7:27:50 AM 4/13/2002 Dennis Wolfe dennis.wolfe@mindspring.com Replacement Air Valves I have a 1987 coach that has Skinner valves (V52DA2125) for controlling the suspension. Since they no longer make this valve, do you recommend using the Skinner replacement or some other brand?

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570 4/14/2002 6:42:50 PM 4/14/2002 Rich Farr Toptin@aol.com battery charger Our 79 Newell has a 80Amp converter (battery charger\DC power supply) and today (when main batteries were dead) we discovered that it only charges coach battery (in front) - not the ones that start the engine (in the back).
Is there a heavy duty splitter (or some other option) to charge all batteries from the converter (and engine driven alternator) - and still separate the coach load from main engine batteries?
Thanks in advance.

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571 4/14/2002 7:56:54 PM 4/14/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com battery charger Your coach has a three-position rocker switch on the instrument panel labeled "Merge." With the rocker switch in the center position, the coach and engine start batteries are isolated, with the converter/charger charging only the house batteries and the alternator charging only the engine start batteries. With this switch pushed in at the top or bottom, the batteries will be interconnected through an electric solenoid located on the electrical terminal panel at the right rear corner of the coach. When merged, either the converter charger or the alternator will charge both the house and the engine start batteries. The solenoid has a limited life and we recommend replacement annually.

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572 4/16/2002 7:21:07 AM 4/16/2002 Dennis Wolfe dennis.wolfe@mindspring.com !988 We just got an appraisal on our 1987 and two of the comps they used were 1988's, one at $120K and another 1988 at $139K.

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573 4/16/2002 6:40:48 PM 4/16/2002 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com Rear turn signal not flashing Found the relay that you spoke about. Tapped on it with a wrench lightly, and it started working. Guess the relay was stuck? Thanks for everyones help....Raul

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574 4/16/2002 7:19:54 PM 4/16/2002 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 1984 40 FT 8V92 We no longer carry these mounts in stock, but they may be available from Ford Parts. The part number for the insulator is: DOHZ 6068B.

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575 4/20/2002 8:08:44 PM 4/21/2002 alan messer lnrwssr303 towable vehicles I am considering towing a 1999 GMC Yukon and I read the owner's manual that you can tow by puting the transfer case in neutral and the transmissing in park. I read in Newell Q and A that some people use a disconnect for towing. Please give info.

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576 4/25/2002 9:46:36 pm 4/26/2002 gene morace genemorace@hotmail.com front brakes i am currently experiencing a poping in the front end when the breaks are applied. It was originally suggested that the "s" cams needed to be greased. This has not corrected the problem. The wheels have not been pulled as of yet, but have had the front end checked and nothing seems to be loose. Any suggestions?

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577 4/26/2002 11:02:55 AM 4/26/2002 TeckTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com FRONT BRAKES We suggest that you lube the suspension arms where they connect to the tower structures on the frame. If this doesn't stop the noise, the sheet metal lining the compartments just ahead of or behind the front wheels may be "oil canning" under stress. If this is happening, welding a strap across the face of the sheet metal will correct the oil canning and the noise.

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579 4/28/2002 6:18:42 AM 4/28/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com FRONT BRAKES Does the "poping" occur every time you apply the brakes, or when you have to apply them a little more forcefully than normal? Also, does it "pop" only once after you apply the brakes, or does it keep popping?

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580 4/28/2002 6:37:35 AM 4/28/2002 John Clark jvclark02@cs.com battery charger Rich:
You might want to check out the new inverter/charger units on the market (Xantrex,Trace etc.) Most of them use a 3 step charging process that really saves your batteries versus the converters one step process. As an added benefit, you can watch your TV, use the microwave, etc., without firing up the generator. It's also nice to leave the ice maker on while traveling, as the engines alternator will keep the house batteries charged going down the road.

I owned a 79 for 8 years and my single most important suggestion would be to keep your 12v electrical connections clean, especially the ground wires. Also, read carefully Newell's Tech staff's last sentence, you can't trouble shoot a bad solenoid with a voltmeter (amps are where the power is; 13.75 volts mean nothing without the amperage flow to support it.