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Neweller
12-11-2012, 05:58 PM
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974 4/27/2003 12:40:11 PM 4/27/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Best oil recom. for 6V53?? Detroit Diesel recommends API class CD-II viscosity grade 40 in their Series 53 engines. For cold weather operations, they recommend:

+30 to 0 F. SAE 20,
0 to -20 F. SAE 10.

They publish a booklet that you can obtain from your local Detroit Diesel dealer that lists all of their requirements, specifications and cold weather recommendations.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:08 PM
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975 4/28/2003 6:15:12 PM 4/30/2003 Raul raulcortez@aol.com Microwave/Convection Art, Our Sharp micro/convection oven has gone out on us two times on our 1995 Newell. Both times my wife was using the oven for over an hour of heating. I found that the problem was a blown fuse. I now carry extra fuses with me. It wasn't the easiest fuse to get to, but where there's a will, there's a way. Had to remove the oven from its place and then take the cover off the back and just looked for ceramic fuses. If you don't wan't to mess with that, then you could always call a repair company like Sears. They should be able to fix it a lot cheaper than buying a new one. Good Luck.....Raul

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:08 PM
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977 4/30/2003 11:40:06 AM 5/1/2003 Art Knapp agkcpa@rvlifestyle.net Microwave/Convection Raul, Thanks for the info, but ours took the "big dump". I pulled it out and took it to a local repair shop. They said it was not worth fixing. It is now at the dump. I just need a recommendation for a replacement. What brand/model are they using for the current Newells?

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:08 PM
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978 5/6/2003 12:23:44 PM 5/10/2003 Dennis Bruce trishoreyachts@attcanada.net Where to find wheel well moldings I am looking to upgrade my wheel well moldings on my 40' 1987 . My friend found aftermarket deluxe moldings for his 87 Prevost. Can anyone suggest where to find them for a Newell? Thank you.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:09 PM
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979 5/12/2003 10:26:01 AM 5/12/2003 Dennis Wolfe dennis.wolfe@mindspring.com Newell Wiring I own coach #155, a 1987 38 footer.

The front air conditioner is not working and the 110 volt power supply shows only 6 volts at the A/C end. When I connect the A/C to an external 110 volt source the A/C works fine. The front heater on the same circuit is working fine. Checked all of the connections at the circuit breaker end - they are okay. The A/C wire must come off the heater wire at some point since they share breaker #1.

I suspect the connection that joins the A/C wire to the heater wire, but I cannot locate that spot. Can you tell me where this connection is at or where it is likely to be?

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:09 PM
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980 5/12/2003 11:25:41 AM 5/12/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Newell Wiring The problem could be in any of the three wires: power, neutral, or ground. Consider whether any accessories have been added lately, such as an awning. A screw through a wire can do some bad things. Also, some of the coaches of this and earlier vintages were equipped with switches on the dash to turn the roof A/Cs on and off using relays, typically located in the front overhead cabinet. If you cannot trace the problem easily, we suggest you consider running a new power wire to the A/C, properly protected from a breaker, of course. In fact, the break in the connection could be inside a foam-filled wall, so a new power wire may be the only practical solution.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:09 PM
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980 5/12/2003 11:25:41 AM 5/12/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Newell Wiring The problem could be in any of the three wires: power, neutral, or ground. Consider whether any accessories have been added lately, such as an awning. A screw through a wire can do some bad things. Also, some of the coaches of this and earlier vintages were equipped with switches on the dash to turn the roof A/Cs on and off using relays, typically located in the front overhead cabinet. If you cannot trace the problem easily, we suggest you consider running a new power wire to the A/C, properly protected from a breaker, of course. In fact, the break in the connection could be inside a foam-filled wall, so a new power wire may be the only practical solution.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:09 PM
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980 5/12/2003 11:25:41 AM 5/12/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Newell Wiring The problem could be in any of the three wires: power, neutral, or ground. Consider whether any accessories have been added lately, such as an awning. A screw through a wire can do some bad things. Also, some of the coaches of this and earlier vintages were equipped with switches on the dash to turn the roof A/Cs on and off using relays, typically located in the front overhead cabinet. If you cannot trace the problem easily, we suggest you consider running a new power wire to the A/C, properly protected from a breaker, of course. In fact, the break in the connection could be inside a foam-filled wall, so a new power wire may be the only practical solution.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:09 PM
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981 5/14/2003 10:13:53 PM 5/27/2003 Jack Fortner jackfortner@earthlink.net 1985 Newell Coach I am considering purchase of a 1985, 40ft Newell coach with a 475 Cummings and high milage. Can anyone give me a heads-up on the value or what to look for. Thanks for any help.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:09 PM
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982 5/15/2003 3:08:41 PM 5/27/2003 John Leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net Engine Shut Down Heard that very rarely an engine will not respond to the "off" switch. Hasn't happened to me yet (6V92TA) but if engine does not respond to off switch on dash or rear panel, what is the procedure?? Thanx.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:09 PM
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983 5/19/2003 12:27:26 PM 5/27/2003 Bill Goss vdc@direcway.com 1974 cabinet hardware Anyone know of a source for cabinet latches or an
idea to replace, thanks Bill 530 284-6618

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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984 5/19/2003 9:30:10 PM 5/27/2003 Tim Florio tjflorio@verizonmail.com Koni Shocks I whole hardly agree with your recommendation regarding Koni shocks. The ride on my 1976 coach was dramaticlly improved by the installation of Koni's.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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986 5/22/2003 2:24:59 PM 5/27/2003 Dennis Bruce trishoreyachts@attcanada.net tachometer 1987 8-92 I AM TRYING TO FIND A TACH FOR MY 1987 8-92. IT IS A STEWART WARNER . THE GAUGE WON'T SIT STILL. IT BOUNCES FROM 10- 3000, SO I AM SURE IT IS THE TACH. IF ANYONE HAS HAD THE SAME THING HAPPEN, LET ME KNOW. THANK YOU

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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987 5/22/2003 10:01:29 PM 5/27/2003 richard talbert talbe03890@aol.com turning radius Do you have the turning radius of the 94 through 97 45 ft. chassis?

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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988 5/28/2003 8:49:38 AM 5/28/2003 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com tachometer 1987 8-92 Many parts for the older Newells are still available from the Newell factory parts department. For queries on the availability of individual items, call Newell toll-free at 1-888-363-9355 and ask to speak to parts.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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989 5/28/2003 9:25:41 AM 5/28/2003 Scott P. slpeatross@aol.com 1985 Newell Coach I would expect the asking price for a nice '85 to be in the $90k range. Mileage is not particularly important but overall condition and maintenance history are critical to the value. I wouldn't be concerned with mileage under 200k. In many respects, a high mileage Newell, driven regularly over its life, with recommended maintenance, is a much better buy than a coach that has been parked most of its life. Restoring a poorly maintained coached back to reliable condition can get very expen$ive.

Also, I suspect the engine is a 475 hp Detroit Diesel 8V92, not a Cummins. [TechTalk staff note: A few Newells were equipped with Cummins 903 engines as an option in the 1980 through 1985 time frame]

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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990 5/28/2003 9:41:29 AM 5/28/2003 Scott P. slpeatross@aol.com Engine Shut Down I have a Cummins 8.3CTA (non-Newell) that occasionally wouldn't shut down. Key on, key off, keeps running. A bit unnerving the first few times it happened.

The Cummins utilizes a fuel shutoff soleniod that pushes on the shutoff lever of the fuel pump when the engine is running. Age and vibration wore a small dimple in the lever, so that even when the solenoid was deactivated, the plunger would hang up in the dimple and never shut off the fuel. The short term fix was to tap the plunger with a hammer to get it to shut down. The real fix was to weld over the dimple and grind the lever smooth again.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:10 PM
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991 5/28/2003 11:11:26 AM 5/31/2003 John Leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net tachometer 1987 8-92 Tach frequently erratic on my '82 6-92 but haven't gotten around to figuring the cause as of yet. Maybe to be expected due to age.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:11 PM
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992 5/30/2003 2:06:07 PM 5/31/2003 Tommy Klie tommy@westcliffeinc.com Wind tolerance on awnings There is a manual awning fitted for my coach,#435, that I would like to know the following: in the down position, how much of a wind tolerance can it sustain in a wind/rain storm. The awning in question is the main one over the door, about 10 feet long.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:11 PM
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993 5/30/2003 8:07:02 PM 5/31/2003 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Ceiling Fan I have been trying to locate a motor that runs the celing fan in a 1980 Newell. The name plate is gone, I have been to Granger, have been told this is a 3600 rpm motor? If Newell has a source, please send me an email. If anyone has a source I would appreciate an email. This is the only item I lack in having everything working.

Thanking you in advance,

Kelly Scott

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:12 PM
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994 5/31/2003 7:04:53 AM 5/31/2003 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com Wind tolerance on awnings Coach awnings without the relatively recently introduced automatic retraction feature should not be left extended in windy weather. We know of no finite "limit," and also would be concerned that a quick response might not be possible to suddenly increasing wind velocity or a strong gust.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:12 PM
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995 5/31/2003 7:10:40 AM 5/31/2003 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com Ceiling Fan If this is an "attic fan," we suspect that it is a Kool-o-Matic. To check availability through Newell, call our toll-free number, 1-888-3NEWELL, and ask for parts.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:12 PM
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996 6/6/2003 3:56:48 PM 6/9/2003 Jack Fortner jackfortner@earthlink.net 1985 Classic Newell VIN # 1N9912389F1011020 I just purchased a 1985 Classic Newell. There is a small port door, head high, aft of refer service door. It has a key lock. I don't have a key and have no idea what it relates to. Can you advise?

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:12 PM
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997 6/6/2003 5:09:41 PM 6/9/2003 John Leuenberger jeleuen@attglobal.net Generator Exhaust Pipe If anyone can advise which way to turn the large nut to disconnect generator exhaust pipe in 82 Newell so generator can be slid out for maintenance, pls advise. Right or left facing which way?? Thanx.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:12 PM
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998 6/6/2003 7:03:14 PM 6/9/2003 Jack Fortner jackfortner@earthlink.net Carpet to tile Check at your local Lowe's store for "look like tile." Installs like wood but it really looks like and all the good things of tile, and easy to install.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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999 6/7/2003 9:34:27 PM 6/9/2003 Linda O'Carroll tiki@gbso.net benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird We are interested in making a lifetime purchase sometime this year. I know this is a big question, but could anyone give me the pros and cons speaking from experience of the the 3 top conversions [perhaps an unfortunate choice of words, as neither Newell nor Blue Birds are converted bus shells, but I think we understand the question - editor]. We have been unable to get clear differences anywhere and this would really help. Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Linda and Mossey. [Okay, this is a bit different type of post than the board was designed for. But let's have some fun and give this discussion a try, keeping the comments to the positive regarding all three fine products - editor.]

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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1000 6/9/2003 9:39:33 AM 6/9/2003 Scott P. slpeatross@aol.com When did the body style change? I just stumbled across what is possibly the "last Classic" built, a 1991 Newell. It's for sale at usedmotorhome.com for $150k. Nice pictures there. [If it is truly a 1991, this is the "last Classic." There were no 1990 Classics, and only one 1991 built - editor.]

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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1001 6/9/2003 7:38:50 PM 6/9/2003 benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird Hi Linda. I think to get you the answer you desire, you should tell us a bit more. Are you looking at new coaches, or something used? If used, what vintage? All these coaches have been around 20+ years, and the pros and cons of each have changed over that time. Give us some more info and I'm sure you'll get plenty of opinions.

Scott P.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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1002 6/9/2003 10:00:56 PM 6/9/2003 Bob Scott thescotts@proaxis.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird Hi Linda

First off I'll admit to being biased, however my ideas and feelings have developed over years of learning. We own a 1986 Newell and have been thinking of upgrading to something newer. This past week the Northwest Area Rally of FMCA was held in Albany,Oregon and as there were several new coaches on display it seemed like a good time to really check out what everyone was selling.
A little of my background. I have repaired both motorhomes and trailers. I have also converted two buses and currently have one that is about 60 percent completed. {I'll make someone a very good deal}. We also own a custom cabinet shop which is one of the largest in the state. Along the way I have also restored several airplanes. I only mention these facts so that you will have some idea for the opinions I have. Incidentally, the reason that we own the Newell is that we went to look at it to get some ideas for the bus conversion project. We walked in and my wife took one look at the Newell and she said "I want it". And as they say, the rest is history. She figured that the conversion project was taking too long.
This past week we looked at Prevost, Bluebird, Country Coach, Foretravel, and the top lines of Monaco just to see if by chance they had improved when comparing them to a Newell. I looked at systems, layout, quality of materials and workmanship. On some coaches with price tags of upwards of a million dollars the workmanship was so poor that if our shop turned out the same work we would fire the whole crew. My wife, on the other hand, is more interested in textures, color coordination, frabics, carpet, etc. We looked with a critical eye as we had not definitely decided on staying with Newell. However, after two days of checking out the brand X's, I know what our next coach is going to be. I told my wife just yesterday that if money was no object, and it is, that I would rather have a five year old Newell than any new coach that I've seen. Also, in the last six months I have been through five manufacturing plants. Hopefully this hasn't boored you. If you have any specific questions I'll be most happy to answer.

Bob

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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1003 6/10/2003 7:52:50 AM 6/10/2003 Leon Henson leon.m.henson@owenscorning.com Transmission cable (shifter) Bob Marlatt

My 72 newell's transmission cable has become frayed. I'm
changing it out just as soon as I find a replacement. I
pulled the old cable and found a part no. ( 63b 100in. eg )
However: Ford knows nada, Allison knows nada, and the
maker of the cable "Morse" knows nothing. I'm gonna try going through Newell. I thought that maybe you might know
where to find such an item, or would you try to have one made up?

Thanks
Leon Henson

Bob - I seemed to have lost your telephone number you
gave me. Please e-mail me with such.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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1004 6/10/2003 9:15:33 AM 6/10/2003 Matt mhibbard@nycap.rr.com License to drive Some friends of mine who form a band have recently purchased a large coach to tour around in. Pardon my ignorance for not knowing many details about it, I'll try to explain what I can. This thing looks like a bus. I believe it is 48 feet long. Diesel powered with air brakes. Inside though it is probably like most coaches. It has two sofas, a small kitchen, a dining table, couple storage closets, bathroom, 12 bunk beds, and an entertainment room with a large TV, stereo, satellite cable, etc. 6 members of the band travel in it.

My question is, do they need a Class B CDL to drive it? None of them have one and 3 of them take turns driving it.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:14 PM
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1005 6/10/2003 11:11:00 AM 6/10/2003 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com License to drive Commercial Drivers Licenses are probably required for the use you describe. CDLs are issued by the individual states as a result of Federal mandate. Although the requirements for CDLs tend to be fairly uniform, they are not identical state to state. The need for a CDL to operate a particular vehicle is triggered by the vehicle's size. However, virtually all states include a specific exemption of the CDL requirement for privately operated motor homes. The use you mention, transportation of a professional band, would probably not fall within the private use requirement of the motor home exception. However, if you would like to consider avoiding CDLs, we suggest you read the particular CDL statutes for the state(s) in which the drivers of this vehicle are licensed. However, we are not optimistic.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:15 PM
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1006 6/12/2003 8:43:18 AM 6/12/2003 Scott P. slpeatross@aol.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird Well, I'll present my opinion in my area of "expertise", which is the five year span of 1988-1992. In the 40 foot models, drivelines are comparable, with 450-500 horsepower Detroit Diesel 8V92 engines, and Allison 4 or 5 speed transmissions. Chassis quality is excellent on all three, but the Prevost is certainly the most sophisticated design, and is particularly appropriate in very high mileage applications. The "systems" of the coaches, such as plumbing, heating, electrical, etc., start to differentiate the three choices. Blue Bird Wanderlodges are certainly the most complex. There are switches and gauges for everything. Great if you like that stuff, but expect significant costs to maintain everything in working order. Newell is very well thought out, and less "gimicky". Prevost conversions are another story. Keep in mind that the Blue Bird and Newell are built from the ground up as motorhomes. The Prevost is an empty bus "shell" that the converter then adds everything to make it a motorhome. The quality of the systems on a conversion can vary wildly. Some of the converters are unriviled in their attention to detail, while others are disasters. Keep in mind that many coach converters are out of business, and factory support for problems, or things like wiring schematics, may not exist. If you are going to consider a Prevost, you really must do your homework on who the quality converters are/were, and look at a lot of coaches to determine what the differences are. Price is another issue. Prevost conversions have held their value very well. This may be viewed as both a blessing and a curse. Sure, they hold their value better, but expect to pay $50,000 to $100,000 more for a comparable Prevost over a Blue Bird or Newell. I think that makes the Blue Birds and Newells a much better value. Prices of Newells and Blue Birds tend to track each other, with Newell asking prices a bit higher than the Bird's. Right now with the soft economy, and the popularity of slide-outs, the prices of non-slide Newell and Blue Birds of this vintage are becoming very attractive. I've just touched on a few of the things to consider, but this topic could be discussed much more in-depth, and depends on what things are important to you in a coach.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:15 PM
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1007 6/12/2003 10:14:45 AM 6/12/2003 TechTalk Staff techtalk@newellcoach.com Generator Exhaust Pipe The large nut, or union, turns counterclockwise, facing from the exhaust end towards the engine. We recommend you apply penetrating oil and let it sit for at least an hour. If it still appears to be stuck, apply some heat to the nut.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:15 PM
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1009 6/20/2003 11:39:23 AM 7/25/2003 scott van de weghe svandeweghe@hopennmachinery.com 74 Newell Coach The Cat 1160 is a 90 degree 4.5" bore X 4.1" stroke V-8 with a scroll type fuel system, an earlier version of the 3208 (sleeve - metering fuel pump). Horsepower was 210 or 225, max torque was 850 ft lbs.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:15 PM
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1010 6/22/2003 4:39:03 PM 7/25/2003 doug nichols dnichols@firstlondon.com travel auto-leveling on blink When i put the tranny in drive the hwh green travel light comes on but the leveling doesn't. I can manually raise or lower the suspension which makes me think it's the brain or a fuse. Any thoughts? Summer travel at hand.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:15 PM
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1011 6/22/2003 6:45:06 PM 7/25/2003 Wm. Bolthouse wbolthouse@bak.rr.com License Fees Is there a web site anywhere that would give us the differences in the cost of license tags by state for a motor home?

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:16 PM
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1012 6/23/2003 9:08:26 PM 7/25/2003 Jack Fortner jackfortner@earthlink.net battery converter/charger I have an 85 Newell Classic. I have renewed the house batteries and engine start batteries. I replaced the merge solenoid and have plugged into 50amp for days. The house batteries are charged fine however the engine start batteries refuse to charge and indicate "0" on the volt meter. The batteries are installed correctly but volt meter showes "0". What should I check.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:16 PM
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1013 6/25/2003 7:56:08 AM 7/26/2003 William O. Meyers meyerswo@psns.navy.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird Having owned my 1968 Newell for almost ten years, I salute Bob Scott's comments! For the money, there is no better quality out there. Being a Quality Engineer of sorts I've looked at a great many coaches in the past ten years and am hoping that a better offer will soon arrive on my well built example of quality (I had a gentleman offer a 1954 Cadillac convertible for my 1968 Newell, I refused the offer!) since I'll only trade up. For the money a 1989 Newell is the pick of the litter.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:16 PM
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1014 6/25/2003 7:59:44 AM 7/26/2003 William O. Meyers meyerswo@psns.navy.com License to drive Washington State does not require a CDL for driving your 45' vehicle. If you hire a driver he might need a CDL Class B endorsement since he is for hire.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:16 PM
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1015 6/27/2003 12:24:21 PM 7/26/2003 doug nichols doonich@airmail.net hwh leveling malfunction The travel mode is not responding. the green travel light goes on, i can manually raise or lower the bags manually, but the travel mode leveling doesn't do anything. Just wondering if it might be something simple like a fuse or bad connection. My coach is a 93, 44' 6". thanks

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:16 PM
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1016 6/29/2003 5:45:05 PM 7/26/2003 cris taranto onlywood@si.rr.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird please keep this discussion open as my wife and my self are also looking at the same 3 manufactures we arelooking at older coaches also and can use all the info we can gather to make the decision

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:16 PM
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1017 6/30/2003 6:48:59 PM 7/26/2003 Dennis hogair@nethere wanted window for 1982 I NEED A DUAL PANE WINDOW FRAME AND GLASS, THE LARGE SIDE WINDOW. I HAVE A 1982 COACH.CALL OR E-MAIL. 1-619-549-9606 THANKS, DENNIS

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:17 PM
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1019 7/2/2003 4:59:41 PM 7/26/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@concentric.net Generator Exhaust Pipe Just for kicks I tried lubricating the threads on this union with Champion spark plug thread lube that I had from my aircraft mechanic days. The stuff is still available through any aircraft parts supply house such as Aircraft Spruce or Wag Aero for less than $10. Since I put this on the only problem I've had is with the nut loosening up, but I like that problem better than the aggrevation of having it stuck.

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:17 PM
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1020 7/9/2003 3:33:03 PM 7/26/2003 Linda Schneider ltschneider@earthlink.net Brake Adjustments We're looking for information on front and rear brake adjustments on our '79 Newell. So far we haven't found anyone who can adjust the rear brakes which are getting loud. Would appreciate any suggestions.
Thanks, Linda

Neweller
12-11-2012, 06:17 PM
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1021 7/10/2003 6:59:56 PM 7/26/2003 Tuga Gaidry tuga@cajun.net Mach 5 Headhunter water pump I am considering installing a Headhunter Mach 5 water pump in my coach. I am curious to know how others like the 120V pump compared to the old 12V DC pumps? How does it compare to household water pressure? Does the Aqua Hot have to be revamped to handle the extra volume? What volume of water can be expected at the shower head? Any responses will be greatly apprectiated.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 04:59 AM
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1022 7/10/2003 7:12:22 PM 7/26/2003 Tuga Gaidry tuga@cajun.net Microwave/Convection I was told by Tommy Key that Sharp Microwave/Convection model R930BK is the unit that is being installed in new coaches. It comes in white, black, and stainless.

Good luck!

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:00 AM
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1026 7/24/2003 4:38:40 AM 7/25/2003 ken kmccarl@golden.net Transmission cable (shifter) i had the same problem with my 84 that im restoring, went to a marine store, they matched up the ends , messured the lengh, and 2 weeks later i had a cable, ken

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:00 AM
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1028 7/25/2003 3:39:54 PM 7/26/2003 joe lucarelli joewood526@aol.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird marathon top of the line compared to newell whats your thoughts

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:00 AM
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1029 7/26/2003 5:35:20 AM 7/26/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com TechTalk Board Problems Repaired As regular readers of TechTalk may have noticed, problems recently occured which caused no messages to be received by TechTalk staff for almost a month. We were slow to realize that we were not seeing new messages for posting to the board. However, we discovered the problem on 7/25 and it was fixed on 7/26. We do not think we lost any messages. However, we appologize if we did, and for any inconvenience this problem caused.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:00 AM
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1032 7/28/2003 12:37:50 PM 7/29/2003 Norah A. Brennan nbrenora@cs.com gas lift systems Shocks my gas lift shocks for my 1990 Newell are not holding up my outside doors or small inside overhead cabinets. the # are 40/88/857 E8690 (outside). 196/94 G or 6 501 871 8114 inside. I have tried all over Reno for some replacements. Can anyone help?

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:01 AM
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1033 7/29/2003 7:19:42 AM 7/29/2003 Doug Nichols doug nichols, dnichols@firstlondon.com




dnichols@firstlondon.com Auto Leveling System My suspension system has quit auto leveling in travel mode. It will dump, raise, manually any which way, and will level at the campsite, but will not put itself into the travel mode for going down the road. the green light is on and have checked the fuses, any thoughts?

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:01 AM
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1034 7/29/2003 8:02:18 AM 7/29/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Auto Leveling System We recommend that the electric solenoid valves on the automatic leveling system be changed or rebuilt every three years. If this maintenance has not been performed, it is a likely culprit. Once you have confirmed that these valves are operating correctly, we suggest you check the height control valves on the axles.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:01 AM
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1037 7/30/2003 11:43:21 AM 8/3/2003 Bill Sims BILLSIMS@National-Insurance.com gas lift systems Shocks Order them directly from Newell. I have checked the price from the manufacturer and Newell's were cheaper. I guess because of the volume they buy.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:01 AM
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1038 7/30/2003 6:24:35 PM 8/3/2003 Dick Wells dickwells@classicnet.net gas lift systems Shocks I replaced my units that were bad with compartment door shocks from www.camperschoice.com. Cost is 14.95 each and
they will ship them free if your order is over$100. They
also give great service. Best regards Dick Wells.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:01 AM
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1041 8/3/2003 1:08:56 PM 8/3/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com gas lift systems Shocks To order gas struts from Newell, call our customer service parts manager, Gary Streeter, at 888-963-9355, ext 228.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:02 AM
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1042 8/4/2003 2:34:59 PM 8/4/2003 Linda Schneider ltschneider@earthlink.net Door latches for '79 Newell The latches on the closet and bathroom doors in our '79 Newell were made by Acme General Corp. One of the latches is falling apart and I'm wondering where I can find replacements for them.

Thanks, Linda

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:02 AM
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1043 8/4/2003 3:09:06 PM 8/4/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Door latches for '79 Newell This item is in stock at Newell in brown color, part no. NC-6318. Call Gary Streeter toll-free at 1-888-363-9355.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:02 AM
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1044 8/6/2003 5:27:36 PM 8/7/2003 Frank Aragona frank@aragonaproperties.com GPS speed input My Kenwood GPS with a moving map needs a speed input to work properly in my 94 model with the 8V92 and the 741 transmission. It needs the same signal the cruise control uses to capture the vehicule's speed (VSS). How can I hook up to this?

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:02 AM
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1045 8/6/2003 10:05:44 PM 8/7/2003 Raul Cortez raulcortez@aol.com Waste tank leaking, help! Our 1995 45' Newell has developed a slow leak in the waste tank. The tank is pretty well concealed and hard to look for the leak. Is there an easy way to locate the leak? All I know is that water is coming out from under the tank and leaks out the compartment door. Is there something that can repair the leak without locating it? What am I going to do to get this thing fixed? The coach is for sale and might have to give an allowance to repair this, how much allowance should I give?

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:02 AM
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1046 8/7/2003 6:50:40 AM 8/7/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com GPS speed input You can pick up the signal from the teminal board located in front of the passenger seat. If your wiring is the standard arrangement, the speed signal came be picked up on terminal block 31, white with a blue stripe, and 32 white with a green stripe.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:03 AM
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1047 8/7/2003 6:55:21 AM 8/7/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Waste tank leaking, help! The most common problem is a Zap electronic odor control probe corroding and then leaking. The probes are located near the bottom of the tank. You can pull the carpeted board between the tanks, the tanks must be empty, and see the probes. If it is one of the center probes the tank will have to be pulled to repair it. You can replace the probes with plugs, as ordor control is not necessary on late model coaches with toilets that have a water seal.

Neweller
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1049 8/13/2003 10:16:26 PM 8/14/2003 tom tkenloe@inreach.com 1986 Newell for sale I`m looking at a 1986 Newell 40 fter. Close to purchase. Please send details on your motorcoach.
Tom

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:03 AM
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1052 8/18/2003 4:36:32 PM 8/24/2003 willis s mystro544 AT hotmail.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird Joe Lucarelli,

You obviously don't know very much about Newell. We are previous owners of a very nice 1994 Marathon
XL which we loved. We searched for 2 years before deciding on the Newell and it wasn't just because of it's fabulous glides. It was the over-all workmanship/craftmanship and long term Newell history. I suggest you take a tour of both plants and talk to the lead engineers. I'd also suggest doing some history checks. We did. Nothing in the industry matches up to the Newell for our investment. If you'd like to read more favorable Newell comments from both ex-Prevost owners and current owners, then stop by prevost-stuff site (listed below) and go to to this link:

http://tinyurl.com/jxy9

Actually you may want to read all the chassis vs chassis threads on the above Prevost site. A side note. Prevost owners are very picky and defensive about their coaches, so you can imagine how nice a Newell needed to be to get those accolades. Quite a complement and why Newell is the best in the world and you'll need to get in line to own a new one. :=) A
1054 8/22/2003 12:45:24 PM 8/24/2003 Ray hoffmanray@msn.com Central Air 1988 with central air. Unit will engage, but no cold air.
Suggestions? And do you know who manfactured these units?
Thank you

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:03 AM
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1055 8/25/2003 5:14:04 AM 8/25/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Central Air Dometic manufactured these air conditioning units under the DuoTherm trade name. They are similar in design and operation to home central air conditioning. Often, a qualified residential a/c technician can service the units. If you would like to trouble shoot the units yourself, I suggest you clean your filters first. Check the amp draw at the breaker. Each compressor should draw 10 to 13 amps. If your amp draw is too, low check the freon. If your draw is too high, you might need a compressor or fan motor. Contact Newell parts at 1-888-363-9355 to check availability, pricing, and to order.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:03 AM
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1056 8/29/2003 4:14:28 PM 9/2/2003 William O. Meyers meyerswo@psns.navy.mil Efficiency Being a Quality Engineer, I'm already convinced of the Quality of the Newell construction (my 1968 is still rolling); but what has Newell done for fuel efficiency?
The aerodynamics could be improved greatly as Kenworth's done; has Newell increased the efficiency of the diesel with Natural gas?

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:03 AM
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1057 8/30/2003 5:08:53 PM 9/2/2003 Steve Green stevegreenmroa@carolina.rr.com Insulation R Value Rating I am trying to find the insulation R ratings of several motorhomes.... the Newell included... What publications list comparisons on R Values, Central Air, Aqua-Hot heating of motor home and water heater, etc? What is the highest rated R value on any Luxury 40-45 footer?

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:04 AM
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1058 9/1/2003 1:00:32 PM 9/2/2003 Tuga Gaidry tuga@cajun.net After market glide outs I am interested in having a glide out installed on my 1993 Newell. Does Newell Coach refit older coaches with glide outs? Have any Newell owners had this done? If so, please give me the name and phone number of the company that performed the work along with your degree of happiness with the result.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:04 AM
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1059 9/2/2003 7:01:02 AM 9/2/2003 John Leuenberger jeleuen@cox.net A/C Two subjects for the tech experts. First, in an '82 coach, I am considering replacing the front roof a/c with new 15000 btu unit to increase cooling capacity over the road. Will the factory wiring support this? The Newell installed unit is 13,500 btu. Second question, after traveling for about 9 hrs yesterday in temps of close to 90 degrees with generator running, during fuel stop noted the 200 gallon diesel tank almost too hot to touch. Where would all this heat come from? Hot air from generator and tires? Is this a concern? Thanks and look fwd to your reply.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:04 AM
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1061 9/2/2003 10:17:17 PM 9/3/2003 Bob Scott thescotts@proaxis.com Efficiency William:
I too used to wonder how to increase the efficiency of my coach. This was very much a hot subject and would come up from time to time while sitting around a campfire with my friends. Friends who are running some of those fiberglass and foam light weight brand X's. Personally I like the features that I get with a Newell. The things I enjoy about a Newell all weigh something and hauling weight around dose reduce MPG. After looking at the cost of owning and operating a motor home for a year, I have decidided that fuel costs just are not worth worring about. Fuel, if it doubled in cost, is still not one of the major expenses. If I was running an 18 wheeler, fuel cost would be an altogether different matter. A lot of them are running a quarter million miles a year and with that much driving fuel efficency does become an issue. Just one persons opinion for what it's worth.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:04 AM
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1062 9/3/2003 2:43:32 PM 9/3/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com A/C Your factory wiring will support the new 15,000 btu air conditioning
units with no problem.

Diesel engines re-circulate fuel as part of the injection process, and also for cooling and lubrication of the injection pump. During your nine hour trip on a hot summer day, your generator and drive engine
were constantly re-circulating warmed diesel fuel back and forth to
the tank. On long hauls the diesel tank will become quite warm to the
touch, especially when the fuel in the tank is allowed to get low.

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:04 AM
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1063 9/4/2003 3:15:50 PM 9/6/2003 Linda Schneider ltschneider@earthlink.net Brake Adjustments on '79 Newell In July I posted a request for information on getting our front and rear brakes adjusted; we've had trouble finding anyone who will do that. Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks, Linda

Neweller
12-13-2012, 05:04 AM
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1065 9/5/2003 7:59:49 AM 9/6/2003 Mike zzig1aol.com wood floor I have a 92 coach & am considering installing a wood
(fake wood ?) floor. Does anyone have any experience with this type of floor in a coach? My main cocerns are sound insulation?
thank you

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:39 AM
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1067 9/5/2003 7:13:58 PM 9/6/2003 Mark & Sharon sstime@itctel.com FOR SALE/PRICE LOWERED What can you tell us about your '73 newell coach? We have been unable to access any pictures.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:39 AM
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1071 9/7/2003 11:12:22 AM 9/8/2003 jim sims JimSims@Charter.net Insulation R Value Rating I have the same question....What are the highest rated R values on Luxury motorhomes? Thanks, Jim Sims

Neweller
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1073 9/8/2003 11:52:06 AM 9/8/2003 David Carroll Keywester@aol.com wood floor Mike, I installed the glue down wood flooring in my bedroom portion and front third of my coach and have had absolutely no problem. Insulation seems equal to or superior to carpet plus is a "breeze" to keep clean. Good luck.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:39 AM
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1074 9/8/2003 10:41:54 PM 9/9/2003 Daniel E Golub selvaschaco@comcast.net Coach engine heat Dear Sirs,
My 1988 coach heater doesn't make any heat, there is water runing thru however at the front radiator but heat is barely noticeable.
Might be the heating core is pluged or needs a pump? The engine runs at 170 F.
Sincerely
Dan

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:39 AM
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1075 9/9/2003 6:56:25 AM 9/9/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Coach engine heat There are two water valves to open in the winter for proper heater operation and close in the summer for complete shutdown. You should check that both valves are fully open for heater operation. The valves are located on the driver's side of the engine. One valve is easily visible just above the frame and forward of the fan. The other valve, although difficult to see, is located below the other valve and behind the frame. The system is also equipped with a booster pump. The pump operates only when the temperature control lever on the dash is moved to the far right. This should activate the booster water pump located forward of the right front tire. You should be able to hear the booster pump running. If not, check to insure it is getting 12 volts. If the pump is not operating and you can't determine the cause, you can acquire a replacement pump from the Newell Parts Department, 1-888-363-9355. If you are not successful in repairing or replacing the pump, the pump should be removed as it creates a restriction when not running. Removal will improve heater performance, but not to the level achieved when the pump is operating as designed.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1078 9/9/2003 11:07:03 PM 9/14/2003 Mike zzig1aol.com wood floor David,
thank you for the information,
Mike

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1079 9/14/2003 4:52:59 AM 9/14/2003 Charles R. Cravens craminc@juno.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird I hope your search turns out to your benefit. We have just settled on our second Newell and are delighted. Why do you not consider the warrantey issues between the three different brands? We owned two separate brand X units before our first Newell. We drove many a Blue Bird and flew across America testing Prevost out. As others have said, many Prevost owners are quite proud of their Prevost bus. Many Blue Bird owners are quite proud also. After a factory tour we bought a Newell and are proud owners. Please feel free to contact me or my wife if you desire.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1080 9/14/2003 5:01:45 AM 9/14/2003 Charles R. Cravens craminc@juno.com Mach 5 Headhunter water pump We are presently adjusting to the Headhunter water pump system and so far I am not truly sold on it, loss of pressure as other demands are made make it difficult. At our next visit to the factory we hope to address this problem. We had two separate 12 volt pumps on our 1991 coach and they were some difference in water pressure. We had our old 3.5 gpm replaced with the new 5.8 gpm units and were happy.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1081 9/14/2003 7:18:21 AM 9/14/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Mach 5 Headhunter water pump We suspect that a pressure switch may be out of adjustment or some other similar problem. We have found the 120 volt Headhunter pump (run through the inverter) to be far superior to the typical 12 volt RV water pumps. The reliability of the 12 volt pumps was always a problem, with short time failures common if the pumps were used for high volume applications, such as to fill a clothes washer or bathtub. In addition, the Headhunter pumps are designed to be used full time. This includes while connected to shore water, when the Headhunter pump acts to increase or decrease water pressure to the set point. Irratic water pressure complaints are not typical with the Headhunter pumps, and therefore we suspect a problem that can be fixed.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1082 9/15/2003 12:39:01 AM 9/15/2003 Dennis Thomas computertroll@earthlink.net Cummins Signature Motor Having been an 'over-the-road' driver for over 3 years, I lusted greatly for a tractor with the marvelous new Signature motor. Cummins advertises it is a 1200 HP motor; 600 to go and 600 to stop.

This motor is lighter and has a smaller 'foot-print' than any comparable motor and would be a marvelous motor to push growing 'high-end' coaches demanded by customers.

Does Newell plan on certifying this motor for their coaches? My inquiring mind wants to know.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1083 9/15/2003 5:46:45 AM 9/15/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Cummins Signature Motor Dear Inquiring Mind, We can provide no simple yes or no answer to your question, as there are several issues involved that greatly complicate engine selection at the moment. These include transmission capacity, the implementation of new emissions standards, and application engineering and support problems with Cummins. First, Allison currently limits their transmissions to a maximum of 525 hp and 1650 lb/ft torque. While in theory there are a couple of other automatic transmissions available (Eaton and ZF), they present availability, driveability, and engineering issues that we do not believe have been properly resolved. Without a suitable transmission, a higher horsepower engines is obviously a non-starter. A new set of emissions standards became effective with engines manufactured in October 2002 with more changes due this winter. During this transition, Detroit, Cat, and Cummins have all put their higher horsepower premium engines on the back burner, so availability of 600 hp engines of any brand is a big question while this sorts out. Finally, in addition to our standard Detroit Diesel Series 60 engine, we have already installed Cat and Cummins engines on special order. While the Cat installations have been quite sucessful, we had a lot of difficulty getting application engineering support from Cummins, so coach delivery was delayed and it was several weeks before we could get Cummins to make the final adjustments so the engine would perform properly. Therefore, while we never say never, we would be "reluctant" to accept an order for a Newell that specified Cummins power.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1085 9/16/2003 10:38:30 PM 9/17/2003 Brion J. NMBJohnston@aol.com wood floor We installed some of the "floating" type of flooring in the kitchen area of our '79 coach. We have enjoyed the same results that Mike has. The floor also has a tiny bit of "give" to it and seems to be more comfortable to walk on.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1086 9/17/2003 7:50:40 PM 9/18/2003 David Hardwick david@xen-fx,com Water Heater I need to change the electric water heater in my '77 and was wondering if there was a 10-12 gallon unit available that engine coolant is run through to heat the water as well as the element?

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:40 AM
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1088 9/19/2003 8:38:45 PM 9/22/2003 Matt mfhopson@netzero.com Vintage Newell I have been hunting for a coach for over a year now...reading, looking and asking questions...and now I have another I was hoping someone could help with. I am looking at a late 70s vintage Newell, which has been very well maintained and has had its engine replaced as well as solid upgrades on the mechanicals that are important. I was thinking that I would end up in a converted MCI...but this one looks good. What is "market value" on such a coach that is in good shape? Granted they all vary, but is 20's, 30's, 50's, 70's all "fair" if the rig is in good order? Also, I know the older bus conversion (if done right) can take a beating...how well are the late 70s Newells holding up over the years? Can I anticipate another 20 years from this rig? Thanks in advance,
Matt

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1089 9/22/2003 10:40:16 PM 9/23/2003 Matt mfhopson@netzero.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird Cris,
I am not sure how much "older" you are looking, but I just made a deal on a 1976 Newell. It has been repowered, and re-done throughout - but it is a 1976 Newell. It has that nostalgic look - which I love - but remains built like a brick...outhouse. I have looked at models from almost every company ranging from the sticks and staples, to well done bus conversions. I have been in and around and up and down on all sorts of Bluebirds, and now about 6 Newells (my biggest problem with Newell is that since there are so few out there, it is hard to get a comparison market). Anyways, to me, I had a limited budget ($40k). You are likely much higher - but the math still works the same and quality is quality and support is support. There is no doubt all the rigs you are looking at are "right": in their own way...but in my opinion - a company that spend 30-40 minutes on a buyer asking questions on a 1976 model (who is not the owner), and offers to help and discuss any concerns - anytime - is a company I want to trust. Then put on the grimy clothes and get into it - and there is quality down there. Clean, rugged and built to last. Mine is simpler than yours, but again, same concepts apply.

I started hunting 16 months ago for my coach. I have looked, traveled and wondered about a couple hundred rigs - I ended up in an old Newell. Funny thing, when I first started looking, I saw a 1977 Newell that I loved - but despised the power plant...but said all along, if I every find one of those with the proper combo...and now I have it.

Sorry it is long - but I have gleaned advise from so many who take the time to post - I thought I would reciprocate. If you can afford it - there is no doubt Newell is the way to go. If you cannot afford it - wait a bit and buy an older Newell.
Cheers and good luck,
Matt

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1090 9/24/2003 12:42:29 PM 9/28/2003 John Leuenberger jeleuen@cox.net Fuel Mileage Fuel mileage is important to me so here's a question maybe Tech Staff and owners can comment on. Currently have '82 with 6V92TA, 36 ft. Averaging in the 7 mpg range. What could I expect in a '88 40 ft with 8V92 Silver? Wondering what two more cylinders and heavier weight does to fuel economy. Usually run about 60 mph and tow 3500 lbs. Thanx for any comments.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1091 9/24/2003 10:31:16 PM 9/28/2003 JD BRIDGES jd@arclight-international.com New Lighting Technologies Is Newell going to start exploring and incorporating new, high end, LED and Fiber Optic light sources? Ultra low engery consumption, no heat, tiny fixture profiles, vastly improved color rendering, exceeding long lamp lifes, extraordinary linear flexibility, dimmable, programmable, and color effects are available. This technology could usher in a new wave of ultra cool interior design details and luxuries for Newell's gorgeous interior finishout. Has anyone there explored this? Does Newell use lighting designers as consultants?

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1093 9/27/2003 4:30:58 PM 9/28/2003 Kurt Baumann kdb@nygmatech.com Generator won't turn over/start Quick, I hope question.

My coach's generator isn't starting. I left the inside lights on and the converter turned on for about 12 hours without either the generator or the engine running in the bus. Now, the generator won't start, did just fine the day before.

Any ideas? I have tried starting with merge on, merge off, let it run with the engine for several hours still generator won't even turn over...

??? I am at a loss.

Any help would be great.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1095 9/27/2003 9:03:05 PM 9/28/2003 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Water Heater Just replaced a hot water heater and wanted to go back with the type I had (water heated by engine) I found the unit to be a marine unit. Had some trouble ordering the unit, once an account was established.

If you need specifics send me an email.

Kelly Scott

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1096 9/27/2003 9:26:18 PM 9/28/2003 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net 1980 Newell Coach Would anyone know the price of a 1980 Newell Coach in the year of 1980. Several of us were discussing this the other night, we estimated around $200K. Please put our minds at ease and tell us the list price of a Newell in 1980.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1097 9/27/2003 9:30:06 PM 9/28/2003 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Brake Adjustments on '79 Newell 1980 Newell, the front brakes can be adjusted by anyone. If you have the self adjusting brakes on the rear, you should have someone that has knowledge of this type of brake look at them. I did ours at the factory.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1098 9/28/2003 6:45:32 AM 9/28/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Generator won't turn over/start Important additional information to help trouble shoot your situation would be the year of your coach, as well as the makes and models of the converter/charger and the genset you have. We
have installed several genset combinations over the years, with different
controls and fuses located in various locations. You mentioned that
your coach has a converter rather than an inverter/charger, so I will take a "swag" and discuss the situation based upon a Kohler 12.5 KW genset with a Triad converter/charger, the typical Newell setup from the mid-1970s until the early 1990s when the Heart Interface inverter/charger and larger, turbocharged gen sets were introduced . If you have the 12.5 Kohler, look just behind the engine
rocker cover for a rectangular box with one or two toggle switches and
a screw out fuse. If the toggle switch does not activate the starter,
unscrew the adjacent fuse and check that. If that isn't the problem, and
you feel comfortable doing electrical trouble shooting, I would first
check for current to the starter and starter solenoid. If you have
voltage at both, with the starter switch activated, I would suspect
the starter. If you lack current to the starter, I would start back
tracking towards the battery. If you have current to the starter, but
not to the starter solenoid with the start switch activated, I would
consider seeking professional assistance, as this system is more
complex and has some built in safeguards.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:41 AM
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1099 9/28/2003 7:30:36 AM 9/28/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com 1980 Newell Coach This question takes your humble editor back on a nostalgia trip, as our purchase of Newell closed on December 1, 1979. Seems like just yesterday. In any case, these were exciting days, and we can recall a great many of the details without needing to open the company archives. In 1980, Newell delivered new coaches ranging from around $130,000 for a lightly-equpped 36 foot model powered by a 225 hp Cummins 555 diesel to about $180,000 for a loaded 38.5 footer with all the bells and whistles powered by a 350 hp Detroit Diesel 6V92TA. A very important piece of Newell history during this period: in 1980, Newell was the ONLY motorhome on the market with rear engine diesel power, a combination introduced in 1971. The innovative rear engine but gas powered FMC was introduced in 1972, was gone by 1978, and was only 29 feet long in a market that was quickly moving to larger models. Mr. Newell's committment over 30 years ago to build his own chassis and body was literally the foundation of the company then and remains so today.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:42 AM
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1100 9/29/2003 12:17:15 PM 10/2/2003 Tim tim@useitagainmarine.com benefits of newell vs. prevost and blue bird Thanks for running this subject, I hope you keep it open. I have been inspecting used Newells as other brands and find that to me the Newell is my coach of choice. I understand diesel engines having owned boats for many years and whereas the Detroit two cycle maybe not be the most modern engine out there, it can be repaired by just about anyone. In the used Newells that I can afford, it seems the 8V92 is the engine used. The other detail that may seem minor by some is that all the Newells that I have looked at all had the center entry door, I find that with the center door the non-driver has a better seat and view than the front door model coaches.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:42 AM
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1101 9/29/2003 12:37:07 PM 10/2/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Generator won't turn over/start Another posibility: Early model Kohler's had a starter reset toggle switch over the fuse panel in front of the passenger
seat. The toggle feels "loose" all the
time, so it doesn't feel like it is resetting. This may be your problem.

Neweller
12-14-2012, 03:42 AM
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1102 9/30/2003 5:16:55 AM 10/2/2003 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net 1980 Newell Coach Our 1980 has a 3208 Cat engine. Were these also used during that time frame or is this an after market engine? We love our unit, and have installed solar power for remote camping.
It is so neat to pull into a campground at night and watch the crowd gather in the morning to admire and discuss.
Newell does a great job of staying ahead of the times.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:16 AM
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1105 10/2/2003 11:55:32 AM 10/2/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net Coach engine heat Question: I have a 1977 coach that doesn't seem to have the boost pump or the switch, so I suspect that it didn't come equipped with the pump. Are my suspicions accurate? The heater doesn't keep up with the cold despite all the values being in the right position. I get heat, just not enough. How much work would it be to add the pump?

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:17 AM
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1106 10/2/2003 12:15:49 PM 10/2/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net Vintage Newell I have a 1977 coach with 190,000 miles. The interior and drive train were updated prior to my purchase more than a year ago. According to the previous owner he had been everywhere from Alaska to Guatamala in it with few problems. I've had two problems, the fuel injection system and corrosion on the lower body side panels. The injection problems were due to aging of the hoses causing hose particles to screw up injectors and the pump. The hoses didn't look bad but were slightly stiff. I wasn't having problems with the generator so the problems had to be on the drive motor.

After driving this March over salted roads, I have had some of the body panels at the wheel wells get holes corroded completely through. I took the following actions. I put a heavy blue shrink wrap film used for boat storage between the aluminum side panels and the steel wheel wells. Then I ordered some of the matching anodized aluminum from the Newell factory and cut nice looking patches to cover the "holey" areas and glued them on using high strength double sided trim tape from 3M. While not perfect it looks pretty good. I had to do some unriveting and reriveting to really do the job right, but even then I only had about 8 hours total in the job plus a little money.

Other than those things "Da Bus" runs, drives and performs amazingly well and I have few doubts it will run a very long time. Everything is solid with no rattles. Like any vehicle plus a house there are things that happen with aging (damn, even my body is giving me similar signals), but nothing catastrophic that I can see. All you can do is check to see the previous maintenance pattern and then make a judgement about what you will spend to get it up to your standards and keep it there.

I hope this helps.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:17 AM
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1107 10/2/2003 5:21:50 PM 10/3/2003 Dennis mckim81520@bresnan.net Time needed to build What is the approximate time needed to build a new coach, after an order is placed? Thanks.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:17 AM
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1108 10/3/2003 7:28:04 AM 10/3/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Coach engine heat The addition of a coolant pump as standard equipment for off-engine
heaters began in the 1980s. Installation of a 12-volt booster pump is
fairly straight forward. There are a number of possible locations, but
ease of access, availability of 12-volt power, and a forward location,
should be prime considerations. Contact our parts department toll free at 1-888-363-9355 to order the parts you need. You may also need to consult with the Newell Service Department regarding the pump model they recommend.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:18 AM
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1109 10/3/2003 7:34:40 AM 10/3/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Time needed to build A coach ordered from scratch today would be scheduled for delivery around July 1 of next year. Currently, we have the owner's demonstrator and one new show coach in inventory for sale. In addition, a total of four unsold demonstators and show coaches are on the schedule between now and next summer. While some of the specifications are "locked-in" on these units, a number of the decor and optional equipment decisions are still flexible, depending on the time remaining before completion.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:18 AM
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1113 10/8/2003 9:15:09 AM 10/8/2003 Springer Jones springerjones@yahoo.com Air conditioner problem In July we purchased a very nice 1991 41.5 Newell with 165,000 miles on the 8V92 Detroit. We departed for a two month trip from our home in Mexico through Colorado, Wyoming, Nevada and California, returning home the 1st of October. Having a number of motorhomes over the years, we were used to breaking down two or three times a week. The Newell was a delight. However we had a problem with the central air conditioner about half way through the trip. This model has three a/c's located in the basement, left forward. The center a/c started making a very loud noise, (vibration) a few minutes after turning it on and then shut down by tripping the circuit breaker in the closet. We tried it a few more times from time to time and the same symptoms occurred. The compressor would kick in and then a few seconds later the shutdown would occur. We stopped using it and now wonder if anyone else has had this experience. We are not where we can get a qualified diagnoses or repair and because of the location of the a/c's I am not familiar with the unit. Can a good RV shop fix our problem? Any help will be appreciated.

Springer Jones

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:18 AM
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1114 10/8/2003 9:52:17 AM 10/8/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Air conditioner problem We recommend you have an RV technician familiar with central air conditioning diagnose your problem. If no such RV tech is available, a serviceman familiar with central home a/c should be able to help, as Newell central air conditioning is very similar to a home unit. If no expericenced a/c techs are available and you want to get into this yourself, remove the shrouding from the unit. Take a look at the components, including the bracket securing the fan and motor, as this bracket sometimes fails. Parts for the older a/c systems are getting a little bit tough, but try the factory parts department once you identify what you need.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:18 AM
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1115 10/11/2003 6:28:48 AM 10/13/2003 Al mymtr1@aol.com Monocoque Chassis and Newell Is the Newell a full monocoque design or semi-monocoque? How does Newell's chassis/frame design compare to the Prevost shell? Aren't both of these designs greatly compromised with the addition of slide-outs?

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:19 AM
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1116 10/13/2003 12:08:24 PM 10/13/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Monocoque Chassis and Newell This is a complicated question. To start, there is no agreed definition of "full monocoque" or "semi-monocoque." Newell uses a combination of welded steel framing from the floor down and rivited aluminum framing above the floor, with the majority of the load carried by a wide steel channel going front to back in the center just under the floor (the top of the chassis). This construction is certainly some form of moncoque, rather than body-on-frame, but a hybrid to be sure. The typical bus shell extends the steel structure above the floor and across the top, with the majority of the load carried in truss like structures running front to back between the windows and the floor. Without question, this is full monocoque. When Mr. Newell designed his structure in about 1970, his goal was for the chassis to be "self supporting," not relying on the coach body, specifically the sidewalls, for support. He wanted to be able to locate doors, windows, furnace vents, etc. (slide-outs!) anywhere required without losing the structural integrity of the vehicle. By the same token, Newell solidly and permanently attaches the body structure to the chassis so that the finished unit has the much of the structural advantage of a monocoque without depending on the walls for strength. Cutting slide-outs into the walls effects the structure of both a Newell and a bus, but not as much with the Newell since the majority of the load is carried by the center channel under the floor. Hence Newell has required only a small amount of structural upgrading to go to four slides, while buses are typically limited to only two slides. We would not agree that the chassis/frame design has been greatly compromised in either case.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:19 AM
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1117 10/13/2003 4:06:56 PM 10/16/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net Switches On my 1977 coach I have two switches that I have no idea what they do. One is marked "ACC" and the other is marked "OVER-RIDE". I'm in the planning stages of adding the booster pump for the front heater/defroster and I need to add a switch. If I can use one of these spaces I can avoid drilling a new hole.

Thanks.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:19 AM
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1118 10/13/2003 9:08:06 PM 10/16/2003 Kelly Scott kscott6264@netscape.net Monocoque Chassis and Newell Anything you do to the chassis would alter it. But the design is for comfort, along with protection. A tour of the factory would answer all your questions.

Kelly Scott

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:19 AM
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1119 10/14/2003 3:22:32 PM 10/16/2003 Mike zzdoc@yahoo.com Streamline Trailer.... I have a model #28 Steamline trailer. Does anyone know where I can obtain owner manuals, reference diagrams, etc?

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:19 AM
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1120 10/15/2003 6:18:45 AM 10/16/2003 Brian Zachary zach407@msn.com All electric instead of gas Do you now or will you in the future offer an all electric option on your coaches instead of gas?

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:19 AM
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1121 10/16/2003 2:18:49 PM 10/16/2003 Charles charlesbco@paxemail.com Monocoque Chassis and Newell There are 'Prevosts' presently rolling with 3 Slides and there is one presently in production. --- So I guess they can accept a 'Third Slide'.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:20 AM
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1123 10/16/2003 7:45:04 PM 10/16/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Monocoque Chassis and Newell We stated that "buses are typically limited to two slides." You are correct in stating that there have been three slide buses. But the numbers have been very limited. Bus shells with "factory built" slides are limited to two. It is our understanding that this is for structural reasons. We have talked with an independant installer of slides in bus shells. He told us that in his opinion the structural changes required to install a third slide in a bus and the size and location limitations of the third slide made the concept, in his opinion, unattractive. We stand by our original statement that buses are typically limited to only two slides.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:20 AM
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1124 10/17/2003 2:53:52 PM 10/17/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Streamline Trailer.... For those not familiar with early Newell history, L.K. Newell purchased the motorhome division of Streamline Trailer in 1967, with the Streamline Motorhome essentially becoming the 1967 Newell. Now, the bad news. We have virtually no documentation from the Streamline operations, and certainly none pertaining to Streamline trailers. After selling their motorhome operations to Mr. Newell, Streamline continued to produce trailers until, we are told, they shut down during the 1974 energy crisis. Also, few RVs manufactured in those days had anything resembling an owner's manual.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:26 AM
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1125 10/17/2003 2:59:55 PM 10/17/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com All electric instead of gas We began offering all electric coaches beginning in about 1994. Subsequently, very few Newells featuring propane were built, primarily because customers preferred the large electric refrigerator-freezers and the diesel heating systems introduced at about the same time. It has now been perhaps two years since we built a coach with propane.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:26 AM
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1126 10/20/2003 6:47:27 AM 10/24/2003 doug potter doug.potter@hds.com Tag Axel I'm just about to purchase an 86 model without a tag axle. It has the 8V92. That is a heavy engine. Is there anything I need to watch out for here? The coach has been upgraded to 24.5" wheels.

Thanks, Doug

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:27 AM
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1127 10/20/2003 11:47:12 AM 10/24/2003 doug potter doug.potter@hds.com Twin to Queen Conversion Did you get any replies via email? I am looking at doing the same thing. It looks like I will just need to make a small platform between the twins. I will also need to remove the center cabinet. Building the new side cabinets is not a big deal. The problem will be having to crawn into bed from the bottom. Making it a walk around looks like more thatn I want to tackle.

Doug

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:27 AM
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1128 10/21/2003 6:05:48 AM 10/24/2003 Bubba Romero nnar@bellsouth.net Adding a slide We have recently purchased a 1984 Newell coach. We were not sure if we would enjoy this but turns out we do. Problem the wife now would like to have a slide out so is looking @ newer coaches. Is it possable to add a slide up front to this coach. Does Newell offer something a hands-on person could perform themselves or would it require factory instalation? If offered, what would the cost range be. We like the bus but I know she will win.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:27 AM
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1129 10/22/2003 2:34:25 PM 10/24/2003 Rich Farr toptin@cox.net Allison 653 transmission fluid Due to leaky hose, need to add transmission fluid to our 1979 Newell -6V92 DD with Allison 653 5 speed auto. Allison folks recommended new synthetic ($38.00 per gal), then dropped back to C3/C4 - ??
Don't want to mix synthetic in older unit and uncertain whether should use Dextron III or Type F. What readily available (old red) auto transmission fluid does Newell recommend for this unit? Thanks in advance.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:27 AM
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1130 10/24/2003 9:07:27 AM 10/24/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Adding a slide In our opinion, adding a slide-out with an acceptable level of quality to any existing non-slide Newell coach is cost-prohibitive. We know of only one customer who has made the attempt, and it is our understanding that the results were not to a high standard of quality.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:27 AM
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1131 10/24/2003 9:21:05 AM 10/24/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Allison 653 transmission fluid Allison recommends Castrol Transynd synthetic ATF as well as Dextron II, Dextron III, or C4 oil. Allison has a service bulletin that goes into detail regarding ATF recommendations. It may be available on the Allison web site. Newell recommends synthetic fluid (we use Mobil Synthetic ATF) and uses it for initial factory fill on new coaches. However, it is more difficult to justify the extra cost of synthetic ATF on a less expensive coach, so our suggestion would be to use a Dextron II or III, or an approved C4 oil.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:27 AM
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1133 10/25/2003 5:15:13 PM 10/28/2003 Rich Farr toptin@cox.net Zip Dee Awnings Our Newell has Zip Dee awnings all around. Two of them are malfunctioning and all should be serviced. We are located in Tulsa and unable to find local Zip Dee support. Would like to hook up with Zip Dee expert. Recommendations appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:27 AM
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1134 10/27/2003 4:53:20 PM 10/28/2003 Bob InsideGolf@cablespeed.com Vintage Newell Matt,
I am the 4th owner of a '73 coach with 171,000 miles on it. It's powered with a 391 Industrial Ford engine that was rebuilt at 100,000. It has an Allison MT 41 automatic transmission. My wife and I call it The Silver Bullit.
The interior was up-graded along with a new generator, frig., sound system, carpets, upholstry, stove top and more, buy the previous owner. This rig has been all over North America and shows no signs of aging--no rust or holes in exterior skin. I've put about 8,000 miles a year on it ( for the past 4 years) and wouldn't hesitate to go anywhere with it as it is well maintained. I hope you are able to find one as nice as the one I found.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:28 AM
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1136 10/27/2003 5:04:00 PM 10/28/2003 bubba romero nannar@bellsouth.net Adding a slide Correct e-mail adress on previous post.

Neweller
12-15-2012, 04:28 AM
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1137 10/27/2003 5:24:42 PM 10/28/2003 Bob InsideGolf@cablespeed.com 1974 cabinet hardware Bill, I too am looking for a source for my cabinet fasteners. I just sent (10/27) a request to Gary in the Parts dept. of Newell and am waiting to hear back. If you've found a source please let me know. I'll do the same.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:23 AM
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1138 10/28/2003 8:39:52 AM 10/28/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Zip Dee Awnings Try the Newell Service Department, 85 miles NE of Tulsa on I-44! Call toll-free, 1-888-363-9355.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:23 AM
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1139 10/29/2003 8:33:53 AM 10/31/2003 john leuenberger jeleuen@cox.net Switches Jon, Was told by another Newell owner that the "over ride" switch is to release the air brakes which are designed to go full on if air pressure is lost. I have some mystery switches too and will probably remain so until can visit Newell factory.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:23 AM
MOISESE@BURKEWILLIAMSSPA.COM Adding a slide SINCE YOU ALREADY OWN A NEWELL COACH I SUGGEST YOU PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY AND GET A NEW COACH WITH SLIDE OUT(S).
IT'S TOO RISKY HAVING A SLIDE-OUT INSTALL. THEY ARE NOT ACCURATE.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:23 AM
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1141 11/2/2003 2:04:30 PM 11/3/2003 John J. Wright john.jwright@verizon.net Splitter Plug in This is the first post a new "Bus" owner. We just bought a 1991 Newell. The manuals speak to a splitter going to different 20 and 30 amp service boxes; yet there is a drawing showing the splitter being used with two 30 amp services.

Can you do that or should you use only 30 and 20?

Thanks.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:23 AM
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1143 11/3/2003 12:12:46 PM 11/3/2003 Tom Patterson tomp@tompatterson.com Streamline Trailer.... There is some information on my website at http://www.tompatterson.com [TechTalk Staff: Tom's website has some great stuff on the Streamline Trailer, Streamline Travel home (predecessor of today's Newell), and the early Newell motorhome. Recommended reading for Newell and Streamline history buffs.]

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:23 AM
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1144 11/3/2003 3:33:44 PM 11/3/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Splitter Plug in Yes, using the Newell splitter cord with a 30 amp source and a 20 amp source will give you 50 amps of 120 volt sevice. If two 30 amp services are available, this is even better, as it will give you at total of
60 amps of 120 volt service, i.e., 30 amps per leg. Understand that the standard RV "50 amp" service is 240 volts, so this provides a total of 100 amps of 120 volt power. We realize that this is confusing, but understand that we did not author the nomenclature. Just remember that 50 amp at 240 volts is fully 100 amps of 120 volt power. Ohm's Law is what they call it. And always try to find a 50 amp, 240 volt source of power for your Newell.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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1145 11/3/2003 6:46:12 PM 11/8/2003 Raul Cortez raul-cortez@sbcglobal.net gas lift systems Shocks I found my replacements for a 1995 Newell at ADVANCED AUTO PARTS. You can also call the manufacturer listed on the shock for a dealer near you. ADVANCED AUTO offers a lifetime replacement warranty.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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1146 11/4/2003 10:33:25 AM 11/8/2003 Bill Goss vdc@direcway.com 74 classic 36 for sale 2nd owner, 113K miles, Cat V8 pusher, 6 sp. Allison,
22.5 Alcoa wheels, almost new tires, interior redone at factory 20K miles ago, custom bay slides. can email pics,
work phone 530 284-6618, home 530 284-7477 $36,500.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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1147 11/7/2003 10:16:58 AM 11/8/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net Switches I can't understand how an electrical signal can prevent the parking brakes from kicking in due to low pressure. I believe that the parking brake is just an air pressure versus spring pressure balance--when the air pressure gets low, the springs just kick in and there is nothing we can do about it without more air pressure. But I could be wrong and thanks for the thought. I'll have to do some more tracing of wires.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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1148 11/7/2003 10:32:00 AM 11/8/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net Vintage Newell Perhaps I can give a better response than my original one. I was suffering from a sinus infection and I was about as smart and communicative as a dead pig, and that's giving the pig the benefit of the doubt. There really are only three kinds of problems due to age; parts availability, degradation of organic materials such as elastomer (rubbery stuff), and corrosion of metals. Degradation of organic materials is the least obvious in my opinion and the most variable. Start with tires, aging will cause internal dry rot even when the outside looks good, most people say change them every 5-7 years, out of ignorance I ran mine 12 years, but don't repeat this at home as it wasn't smart to be ignorant. Then you have other parts directly exposed to sun such as window seals, shades and interior fabrics, not to mention the awnings. All of these "weather" and it depends on how the vehicle was exposed how long they will last. I haven't addressed wear and collisions because those are usually obvious and are unlikely to have hidden costs in a coach built like a Newell. The really tough stuff are the seals in the mechanical systems. How long will an engine crankshaft seal remain viable? It all depends on a huge variety of factors, though time inevitably is a major one. All you can do is look for leaks, but don't panic because the old 2-stroke diesels weren't called "Detroit Drippers" for no cause. An EXPERIENCED 2-stroke mechanic is vital here. Other than that, if it's a Newell and runs and drives good, it is good. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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1149 11/7/2003 10:36:51 AM 11/8/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net Coach engine heat I talked with Gary in Parts and he said he no longer stocked the pumps. I found the following web site that has them available: http://commerce1.cera.net/tacbusparts/sections/catalog/catalog.asp?cat_id=155

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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1150 11/8/2003 3:28:48 PM 11/10/2003 Kelly Scott kscott266@hotmail.com Heater core water compartment Where my fresh water, waste water, water heater are located, I have a compartment heater. This heater consist of a core, (resembling a very small radiator) with 2 electric fans. The unit works using engine water to heat the core, with the 2 electric fans pushing air over the core to heat the compartment.
Now, I said all that to ask the question: Does Newell or anyone know where I might locate one of these cores? Mine has developed a crack on the discharge side. I removed it once and repaired, but it has started to leak again. Hoping to find one prior to hard winter.

Thanks

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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1151 11/8/2003 4:26:57 PM 11/8/2003 Rich Farr toptin@cox.net V692DD More Horsepower We own 1979 Newell 38' with 6V92 Detroit Diesel (285 HP) and Allison 654 (5 speed). Family likes to travel great Northwest, including Yellowstone, and it uses all 285 HP in those mountains. I know some versions of the 6V92 can deliver up to 380 HP with turbocharger. Is there any practical way to extract a few more HP without adding complexities of a turbo charger? Appreciate any/all comments. Thanks in advance.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:24 AM
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1152 11/9/2003 3:49:52 PM 11/10/2003 doug potter doug.potter@hds.com Twin to Queen conversion I recently purchased a 1986 Newell. This is my first diesel pusher. I want to convert the bedroom from the twin bed setup to a queen. The built-in cabinets aren't going to make this easy. Has anyone done this? Any suggestions? Looks like I will have to rework the vents for the basement air also.

Thanks,

Doug

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:25 AM
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1153 11/9/2003 4:15:00 PM 11/10/2003 John George jgeorge@mwc.edu Safety steering wheel for 74 I have a 74 with a flat 22" Mack steering wheel. I want to replace it with an 80s "breakaway" safety steering wheel of smaller diameter. Does anyone have a source for steering wheels and/or advice on this conversion? Thanks for your consideration.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:25 AM
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1154 11/10/2003 5:15:03 AM 11/10/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Heater core water compartment Please contact the Newell parts department at 1-888- 3NEWELL. We can send you a replacement heater. To our knowledge, the core is not available separately.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:25 AM
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1155 11/11/2003 6:20:19 PM 11/17/2003 Mark Hettinger Mark@blackfenders.com Vintage Newell I have a 74 Newell that was bought new by my father and passed down to me. The milage on this one is a little better then 300,000 and I can say that I would go anywhere with it. One thing to look for is the rusting out of the area under the holding and water tanks as with the design of the Newell if this area weakens it will allow the whole body to flex. I caught mine before this happened. If you find one with a MT41 Allision be aware that parts are getting hard to come by and as for upgrading horsepower forget they are at there max. The early Newells had some electrical problems that were brought on by the wiring being to small for the amount of run. Almost all the parts used back then were off the shelf and were mostly Ford. Another thing to look at is brakes, early ones used air wedge rather then the better S cam air brakes. Mine had a 1160 Cat in it from new but after two of them deciding to end life early we went to the 3208 Cat and that now has over 200,000 miles with just regular maintance. There are other areas that I have improved upon but nothing major except maybe replacing the old drafty windows with new ones. I love it and would not give it up for a new one, and that's my story

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:25 AM
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1156 11/16/2003 9:49:27 AM 11/17/2003 Tim tim@useitagainmarine.com V692DD More Horsepower Larger injectors may be possible.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:25 AM
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1161 11/22/2003 7:33:59 PM 11/26/2003 Dean Stoops 67gto@myvine.com Switches Jon, My 1978 had a switch connected to the oil pressure switch that would shut the engine down if the oil pressure dropped. The "override" switch bypasses the oil pressure requirement during start-up. The switch is spring loaded to the off position. I found this set up somewhat troublesome so I eliminated it. A P/O may have done the same on your coach.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:26 AM
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1162 11/26/2003 6:29:24 AM 11/26/2003 Rich Farr toptin@cox.net New Tires Our '79 Newell has 11R22.5 tires approx 7 years old. Tread is still good but sidewalls are showing their age and we have decided on new tires - just to be safe.
At one time, I had seen a tire recommendation in Tech Talk. Appreciate any recommendations including number of plys and weight range.
Also, the front tires have 'steering tread' that is different than the rear. Any viable reason not to use same tire all the way around so they could be rotated?
Thanks in advance.



1)Is there any reason

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:26 AM
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1163 11/30/2003 12:26:53 PM 12/4/2003 Steve Saraga s.saraga@att.net Switches Jon,

I'm not sure on the "ACC" switch, but I believe the "override " switch is for the radiator fan. When in override, the fan run's continually and bypasses the thermostat, very helpfull on those long uphill pulls. [Editor's note: Newell's of this vintage were not factory equiped with temperature controlled fans. Therefore, this switch would not be an override for such a fan unless the fan and switch were added later.]

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:26 AM
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1166 12/2/2003 10:46:51 PM 12/10/2003 Mike Clarke zzig1@aol.com Switches Jon,
if your engine has a problem i.e. overheating, oil pressure
a warning light will come on, this is followed by an engine shut down. The OVERIDE switch overides the shut down for a short time (we are talking seconds) to enable you to get the coach to a safe place & out of traffic.
Mike
[TechTalk Editor: Actually, the system works slightly differently than explained above. On the Cummins '555' the manual override switch has to be held on (spring loaded position) in order for the engine to start. Once sufficient oil pressure was obtained the oil pressure override switch
can be released. If the engine loses oil pressure, this system will probably shut the engine down, except when the switch is held open, as suggested above. However, the switch is not related to engine temperature shutdown.]

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:26 AM
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1169 12/4/2003 7:45:32 PM 12/10/2003 Larry Shaffer clarryshaffer@earthlink.net New Tires Rich,
I have a friend whose coach was fitted with the same tires all around and he could hardly keep it "between the lines" on the highway. I do not know the reason why the steering tires are different. I would not put anything except steering tires on the front due to my friends experience. There must be a good reason for the difference. Good Luck. [Editor's note: Special steer axle tires have a tread design optimized for the different wear characteristics experienced on the steer axle versus the drive axle. Standard tread designs can tend to "cup" or experience "river erosion" on the steer axle. If the coach is not handling correctly, we would suspect front end alignment, such as the tires actually having toe-out rather than toe-in.]

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:26 AM
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1171 12/5/2003 8:53:12 AM 12/10/2003 Scott Peatross slpeatross@aol.com Locking Differentials I notice the late model Newells have a driver-operated locking differential. Great idea, another Newell innovation. I get my coach stuck now and then. Is it possible to retrofit to older axles? Who manufactures the unit? [Editor's note: the driver operated locking differential was standard on coaches beginning in the early 90s. Beginning with the new ZF axles and suspension system fitted to coaches beginning with deliveries this past summer, an electronic traction control is incorporated for the same purpose. Unfortunately, retrofitting either system is probably cost prohibitive because an entire axle assembly would be required.]

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:26 AM
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1172 12/8/2003 2:39:45 PM 12/10/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net V692DD More Horsepower I took a look at my Detroit Diesel Service Manual and couldn't find anything definitive, but section 12 shows certified turbo engines starting at about 240 hp, so I doubt that you can get much more out of a non-turbo engine than you are getting. You can't just add a turbo to your engine since compression ratios change as does the blower ratio. I would check with a DDC dealer to verify what is possible with your existing engine, but I wouldn't get my hopes up. Then you also need to determine the hp rating of the transmittion, that may be a limitation as well.

Neweller
12-17-2012, 05:26 AM
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1173 12/8/2003 6:01:07 PM 12/10/2003 Adam Walkup Luvolekars@AOL.com desing of Newell's 1975-1982 I am just starting to look for a 75-82 Newell. My family is in the charter business, and I recently owned an MCI conversion. From what I have seen so far, I'm very interested in a Newell. I am wondering what changes were made during this period, as well as what different models were available. I seem to prefer the older look of the late 70's, and wonder when they changed to the later look with the square headlights? Any help on the differences in this era would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Adam

[Editor's note: Some 1980 model coaches were fitted with the square headlights. Starting with 1981 models, a new front and rear cap was fitted, incorporating square headlights and taillights, as well as the "brow" over the front windshield. The current "Series 2000" body first appeared as the 1990 model.]

Neweller
12-18-2012, 05:34 AM
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1177 12/15/2003 3:17:07 PM 12/16/2003 Adam Walkup Luvolekars@AOL.com twin beds to queen bed Several of the classic Newell's I have found have twin beds in the rear. I am interested to hear what people have done to convert these, including how they looked when finished. Also what do others think that having the twin beds does to the value of the coach?

Neweller
12-18-2012, 05:35 AM
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1178 12/15/2003 4:58:03 PM 12/16/2003 Harold Sears whsears@cs.com RV Park Outlet Ground With my coach plugged into a 50 amp park outlet, the 120V outlets in my coach show good ground when tested with a circuit tester.

My question is: If the ground in the parks electrical box is not connected, will the outlets in my coach indicate no ground when tested with a circuit tester?

Neweller
12-18-2012, 05:35 AM
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1179 12/16/2003 8:54:58 AM 12/16/2003 Jim Cordner CRTJIMCORD@aol.com Switches Jon, I have a 1977 coach with a Cummins '555' engine. As suggested by Mike Clarke above "The override switch on the Cummins '555' (the manual override switch) has to be held on (spring loaded position) in order for the engine to start. Once sufficient oil pressure was obtained, the oil pressure override switch can be released. If the engine loses oil pressure, this system will probably shut the engine down, except when the switch is held open".
However on my coach, the switch is in series with the high temperature safety as well. Either loss of oil pressure or high engine temperature will shut down the engine. The override will allow a brief start to pull off to a safe area.I had to use it several times on long summer hill climbs in Arizona when the old girl got too hot. A P/O had by-passed both safety switches but I have reconnected them, and rely on them doing their job to protect the engine. You may have to trace some wiring to see which configuration you have.
Enjoy.

Neweller
12-18-2012, 05:35 AM
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1180 12/16/2003 9:38:20 AM 12/16/2003 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com RV Park Outlet Ground We recommend that you conduct the grounding test at the source (i.e., the park's electrical outlet). Even than, you can't be absolutely sure of a good 'safety' ground because a possible loose, intermitent connection or inadequate grounding source, will indicate "ok" even at low current flow. This issue is complicated because a ground is really a safety backup. Even with a faulty ground, no problem will be experienced if everything is functioning correctly with no short circuits.

Neweller
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1181 12/16/2003 12:03:46 PM 12/17/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net Switches Ah, now I get it. Thanks to all who have participated in this discussion. My coach originally had the 555 engine, but it was replaced with a 6V92T. Since the STOP coil works in reverse of that on the 555 my OVERRIDE now does exactly nothing. I suppose I could install a relay to reverse the signals and then create an automatic stop on low oil pressure, hmmmm something to think about. Thanks to all for clearing this up.

Neweller
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1182 12/16/2003 12:08:50 PM 12/17/2003 Jon Kabbe jckabbe@earthlink.net twin beds to queen bed I own one with twins and paid less than I would have for a queen version. The issue is how much is a queen worth to you. Despite my twins being able to slide together I'm thinking of swapping the coach for one with a queen. How much is it worth to you and your SO to sleep together, only you can answer than and I really don't want to know.

Neweller
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1188 12/23/2003 2:25:32 PM 12/23/2003 Rich Farr toptin@cox.net Cabinet edge moulding 1979 Newell with original cabinetry in beautiful condition. Sharp edges originally covered with (medium brown) 3/4 round vinyl type trim. Have one piece that needs replacing and would like to obtain original or close match. Looking for source. Thanks in advance.

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1189 12/24/2003 4:15:16 PM 12/26/2003 Bob Scott thescotts@proaxis.com Leveling system I am not happy with the HWH automatic leveling system on our 1995 coach. Can the system be updated or changed? The leveling system on our 86 coach, though not automatic is, in my opinion, superior. It does what I want it to do when I want it to do it and in a timely manner. If my understanding is correct it was built by the factory and, in typical Newell tradition, it works. I spoke with a representative from Valid at a recent R V show and they told me that they were working on a completely new system. Did this ever reach completion? If so, can their system be retrofitted to the 1995 coaches? What is involved both in installation time and cost? Maybe there is another way to go. I would be interested in learning what options are available.

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1191 12/29/2003 2:45:27 PM 12/29/2003 Norah Brennan nbrenora@cs.com Primas/windshieldwiper/elec.heater I can't get my Primas to go on, check all manuals and switches, and fuses, any suggestions?? Windshields wiper bracket broke at hose to washer (old age I think). Need new fitting. 1990 Newell, electric heater needs to be replaced front and rear. Where can I purchase new one?


Heater front and rear need replacement. Where do I find new ones?

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1194 1/1/2004 6:50:36 AM 1/2/2004 Dean 67gto@myvine.com twin beds to queen bed Adam,
My 1978 has twin beds. They are arranged on each side in the rear. I built a queen size bed that "bridges" from one twin bed to the other. It removes easily for those trips to the automobile events when my buddies (whom I dont want to sleep with!) are along.

Neweller
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1195 1/5/2004 5:18:51 AM 1/5/2004 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Leveling system The new Valid leveling system is available to retrofit on Newells. The cost is $2,860.00 parts and labor for most coaches. If interested, contact the Newell Service Department at 1-888-363-9355.

Neweller
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1196 1/5/2004 11:21:06 AM 1/5/2004 Jim Cordner CRTJIMCORD@aol.com Switches Your original question was about using the "OVERRIDE" switch position for a heater booster pump switch. I added a booster pump for the front heater/defroster loop and it works great. Last trip to Iowa at Thanksgiving finally had warm feet. Good Luck.

Neweller
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1197 1/5/2004 1:58:51 PM 1/5/2004 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com Primas/windshieldwiper/elec.heater We have only a limited supply of Primus service parts. To our knowledge, the system is no longer in production and the supplier is no longer in business. To check parts availability, call Tommy in the Newell Service Department, 1-888-363-9355, If a system is not repairable, we recommend the installation of conventional propane forced-air furnaces. As with any propane fueled device, a qualified technician should perform the work.

Neweller
12-18-2012, 05:37 AM
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1201 1/7/2004 11:16:57 AM 1/7/2004 Ken White ken@aswindustries.com Sharing Info with classic owners! I just recently purchased a 1978 Newell with a 6V92T with a 5 speed Allison. So far I am impressed with most features and build of a coach this age. I'm currently doing some upgrades in the interior which include replacing some dry rot under a window. I plan on changing out the windows and exterior lighting and new paint. Inside we are still thinking over some ideas. I'm interested in sharing ideas with anyone with a classic Newell. I'm located in Southern Cal. Thanks, Ken.

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1202 1/8/2004 8:18:11 PM 1/10/2004 john leuenberger jeleuen@cox.net Primas/windshieldwiper/elec.heater Re Norah Brennan question about source for electric heaters. If a 1990 coach used the same Square D heaters used in an '82, the source is Carroll Parts in Kansas City, MO, 1-800-654-3545. There was a recall on Square D's, the replacement part no. is STW1216A. Cost per heater was $96 including shipping (as of one year ago). They slide right in the orig housing. Supposedly no longer available when existing stock is sold. Hope this helps.

Neweller
12-18-2012, 05:37 AM
1203 1/9/2004 6:13:43 PM 1/10/2004 Reagan Sirmons overcup@houston.rr.com Primas/windshieldwiper/elec.heater I am trying to replace the air driven wipers with electric, Does anyone have any ideas? thanks

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1204 1/10/2004 9:59:26 AM 1/10/2004 Mike Nachtigal dmnach@mchsi.com Primas/windshieldwiper/elec.heater I have been generally successful at keeping my Primas system going. Have gathered some spare parts and found a supplier for the electric pumps. When it works it really works great, I use my coach for ski trips regularly. Would be glad to discuss your problem with you. I hate the idea of switching to propane heaters. ph.417 8822170

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1205 1/10/2004 8:08:50 PM 1/11/2004 Reagan Sirmons overcup@houston.rr.com Primas/windshieldwiper/elec.heater Re: Replacing air driven wipers with electric...further explanation... this is for a 1987 coach recently acquired and we are refurbishing. The left air wiper works OK but the entire system leaves a lot to be desired. We have the bus at Freightliner now while we are trying to figure out a truck system that might work. I would appreciate any thoughts.

Neweller
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1207 1/11/2004 6:52:39 AM 1/11/2004 Tom Patterson tomp@tompatterson.com Window Channel Felt Yes, most window glass available today is thicker at 1/4". The original glass is 5/32", or 3/32" thinner. The 5/32" glass is however still available, both as laminated, or as tempered--you just have to look for it.
For information, in Houston, Texas I found that there was only one distributor of the 5/32" laminated glass, and that the not all the stores of Binswanger Glass, whom supplied me with replacement glass dealt with this distributor. Fact is though, that some did, and that the glass was available. It matches the original glass, and the channel felt in this thread fits perfectly.

Neweller
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1208 1/16/2004 8:07:35 AM 1/17/2004 Rosetta Arriola jrarriola@aol.com GPS SYSTEMS - FACTORY INSTALLED We are purchasing our first Newell (our very first motorcoach ever!) and are wanting to have a Navigation System installed. So far the two things that we know for certain that we want in a system are Voice Command and Two Screens. I have talked with some of you via e-mail and would now like to get input from others as to opinions on the two most preferred DVD Navigation Systems by ALPINE or PIONEER. If you have any likes or dislikes we would appreciate your views. Since this is our first experience with a motorcoach, we are overwhelmed with questions and are concerned with questions that we don't even know to ask! Yet as intimadating as this all is, we are absolutely certain that we have made the right choice in buying a Newell coach. I've researched for two years and my findings always brought me right back to Newell! Thanks in advance to any and all who can assist us with information. And we look forward to meeting you all! Rosetta

Neweller
12-18-2012, 05:38 AM
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1209 1/17/2004 6:55:44 AM 1/17/2004 TechTalk Staff TechTalk@newellcoach.com GPS SYSTEMS - FACTORY INSTALLED It is interesting to look back at a thread like this that has been running for awhile, in this case almost three years. Like everything else, the world of GPS has changed a bit since 2001. Anyway, as things stand now, we strongly recommend a Pioneer-based GPS navigation system we have developed specifically for our coaches. A little history: About a year and a half ago, (rough guess), we replaced the Alpine GPS system we were offering with a Pioneer system. There were several considerations. At the time, the Alpine data base was on 7 CD's, only one of which could be used at any given time. The Pioneer system uses a single DVD. Much better, particularly going cross country. Also, the Alpine U.S. distributor, in a word, sucked. Alpine USA would run out of key components and not be able to tell us when the next ship was arriving from Japan. It is hard to deliver new coaches with parts missing! Finally, the Pioneer database is a merger from two sources, so it contains more towns, points of interest, etc. Alpine has most likely gone to a DVD based system, so this aspect has probably improved. But the poor support is a deal-killer as far as we are concerned. Another consideration in your selection: we have a great deal of current experience with the Pioneer system and have a two-screen installation well worked out. Changing to any other system as a one-off would amount to a prototype project, with inherent first-time mistakes, no refinements gained from experience, and make it more difficult for us to answer questions and provide service after delivery. Certainly there may be a better GPS system out there now or coming down the road. But first we need to find one and refine the installation for the Newell. A good installation and good after-the-sale support is much more likely if we have the benefit of experience to throw into the equation.

Neweller
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1210 1/21/2004 2:46:34 PM 1/22/2004 John Williams stcywllms@cs.com 1976 36ft coach Where can I find an owners manual, service manual, etc?

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1211 1/22/2004 4:48:47 AM 1/22/2004 DENNIS hogair1@yahoo.com Cabinet edge moulding I have a lot [of moulding] I took out of a 78. It is tan. 619-549-9606.

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1212 1/22/2004 6:41:23 PM 1/22/2004 Rich Farr toptin@cox.net Stewart Warner tach & Speedo We would like to install a new speedometer with 'trip' meter in our '79 Newell. Also, our tach was replaced before we bought coach and works well, but reads too high.
Stewart Warner says they do not make a speedo with trip odemeter. Does anyone make a combination sending unit/speedo that will work? In any case, I would like to obtain original equip model numbers for S/W speedo sending unit & speedo. Also for S/W tach sending unit & tach? Thanks in advance.
Rich Farr

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1213 1/24/2004 9:29:58 AM 1/24/2004 DENNIS hogair1@yahoo.com Battery charger amps On a 1982, how can I check how many amps the charger is putting out? Can I hook up an amp meter and how?

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1214 1/24/2004 12:53:50 PM 1/24/2004 tom browney tbrowney@aol.com coach height Am considering purchase of 2001 45' Newell with raised bedroom roof and a bedroom slide. I have a garage opening 11'10". Can you dump the air bags and drive it into the garage, and what is the height with bags dumped at highest point? Coach has no air cond on roof. What would be the travel height and the height with air bags dumped?