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08-22-2013, 04:45 PM
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Jon, Stewart Stevenson, Detroit Diesel service center in El Paso,TX told me they could install a re-manufactured 8v92 with warranty for +/-20K. I also remember seeing a post somewhere about plant in North or South Carolina that is still producing brand new 8v92's for export marine use. I think if I were needing an engine I would definitely try to get a new one if it all hooks up the same.
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Coach 289 '92 42'6" 8V92 Hybrid
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08-22-2013, 04:51 PM
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Jon, I can always count on you as to being a attentive observer! Just thinking how much the ISC Cummins even with a smaller displacement is better in so many ways over the old triple nickel or any of its era competitors. Could you imagine what the the larger ISL which is equal in cubes to the old triple nickel would perform like in something like Jon's coach. But hey the 8.3 would also do great in that coach as well.
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08-22-2013, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ccjohnson
Jon, Stewart Stevenson, Detroit Diesel service center in El Paso,TX told me they could install a re-manufactured 8v92 with warranty for +/-20K. I also remember seeing a post somewhere about plant in North or South Carolina that is still producing brand new 8v92's for export marine use. I think if I were needing an engine I would definitely try to get a new one if it all hooks up the same.
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One thing nice about not being in a hurry is that I can study multiple options. I have not torn the motor down yet, but if I have a rebuild-able core I could get by for around $3k. The fact that it died from overheating, the odds are not very good of this being an option, so my first choice is probably a no go.
My second option would be an 2 cylinder OPOC motor putting out 325 hp and weighing under 300 lbs. ( Engine Design | EcoMotors) These won't be available until next year at the very earliest but probably well worth the wait. With it's flat design I would be able to take the hump out of the bedroom and open up the design possibilities. With this combination I would be surprised if I wasn't close to 20 mpg when it was all done.
If I was inclined to do something sooner, I would definitely be looking at an inline six that would substantially improve my fuel economy over the 8V92. I'm confident that the combination that Keith and Ken put in their coaches would be a sweet solution for mine too. Maybe a little underpowered compared to what came with the coach, but much better power to weight ratio than my '73 had with the Cat 1160 and I never had a problem towing with it. This should put me somewhere in the 12 mpg range.
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1986 40' Dog House #86
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08-22-2013, 06:31 PM
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I wonder how many miles it would pay for itself in fuel mileage vs the old 8v? lets say fuel is $5.00/ gal an 8v92 gets an average of 7mpg and an 8.3 gets 10mpg. It would cost about .71 per mile /8v92 and the 8.3 is .50 per mile, thats a difference of .21 cents per mile fuel savings that would pay for itself in approximately 100,000 miles, not to mention the cost of parts, longevity and oil consumption. I understand some would rather have the original engine where the cost isnt an issue and like the nostalgic part of it, and some would like to have the more efficient newer engine. The trucking industry has proven this with countless miles and the inline 6 is the industry standard these days. If I had to choose between the 555 or any other older v8 4-stroke vs the detroit 2-stroke I would go with the 2-stroke detroit, but for me that is a past era.
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77 38' Newell Coach Repowered from Smokin' V555TA To 325hp 8.3 inline 6 cummins, Allison 3000 series trans
87 40' Newell Coach 475hp 8V92 DD(sold)
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08-22-2013, 07:04 PM
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Keith,
Are you saying +/- 21K to do conversion? Is that at a shop all inclusive or DIY job parts only? Also, what is HP & RPM rating on 8.3?
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Coach 289 '92 42'6" 8V92 Hybrid
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08-23-2013, 12:39 AM
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Clint we are only comparing using Jons coach because he is on the line for weight, the 8v92 is a larger engine but the 8.3 would still work and still have enough power for the weight it is. I think he is wanting better fuel economy.
If it was a larger heavier coach I would probably go with a series 60 or a larger cummins engine. They will still be easier on fuel and parts are more readily available at a reasonable price. Not to mention the resale value after the upgrade is done, look at the price of a Newell the same year with the 8v92 vs a series 60 there is a substantial difference. I think they had the option around 1995?
It takes roughly 100hrs to do the conversion so if you do the math it pencils out roughly the same. Dont get me wrong the 2-strokes were a great engine for the time and many people still like them, but times change and engines are getting more and more streamlined and efficient. So in my opinion if a coach needs a new engine, for most it would make more sense to go with an inline and opt for the conversion, brand not important just that the 8.3 is the subject in this post.
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77 38' Newell Coach Repowered from Smokin' V555TA To 325hp 8.3 inline 6 cummins, Allison 3000 series trans
87 40' Newell Coach 475hp 8V92 DD(sold)
22' 350hp Jet Riverboat
79 Ford F250 4x4
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08-23-2013, 12:49 AM
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I will probably never sell the '92. I still have a 1982 Executive in the back yard going back to nature! If anyone is looking for a project, $1,500 would get it in a heart beat. That being said, it boils down to esthetics to me if I need a re-power. I understand your thought process for the in-line 6 conversion. But it still smacks of putting a Honda engine in a "Pan Head" frame to me! lol I have just gotten to be a purist when it comes to the Newell.
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Coach 289 '92 42'6" 8V92 Hybrid
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08-23-2013, 01:40 AM
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Clint I understand about the putting the honda engine in Harley, for me that would be just wrong, I owned bikes most of my life, the first street bike was a shovelhead when I was 17, and built bought and sold quite a few the newest had the evolution engine. It worked awsome but I still like the shovelhead the best. They do tend to loose a few more bolts and parts along the way but I didnt care. I had a honda for about a week I aquired in a deal I made with someone, rode it once and it wasnt for me. So I do respect your preference to the 2-stroke engines. To me Harleys and Newells are a little different, for you they are close to the same.
Do you have any pics of the 82? It would be great if someone took it and give it the TLC all Newells deserve and put her back on the road.
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77 38' Newell Coach Repowered from Smokin' V555TA To 325hp 8.3 inline 6 cummins, Allison 3000 series trans
87 40' Newell Coach 475hp 8V92 DD(sold)
22' 350hp Jet Riverboat
79 Ford F250 4x4
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08-23-2013, 02:01 AM
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Kieth, I'll try to get some pics in the next few days. The '82 is not a Newell, it's an Executive. VERY rough shape, hence $1,500 price. The 6.5K Onan & dometic ice maker are almost worth that. ( if still working) This one I would have no hesitation changing out from the 454 gasser to a diesel power plant like a Ford 7.3, 6.0, or possibly Cummins in-line 6 out of a Dodge. Just don't have the purist attachment to it that I do to the Newell!
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Coach 289 '92 42'6" 8V92 Hybrid
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08-23-2013, 02:56 AM
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Clint, I see your point having owned a '60 panhead. For some reason I don't have the same feeling about a Newell as I do a Harley though. With the Newell the engine is hidden whereas the Harley it's exposed for the whole world to see. Another thing is that my Harley was mostly for image, whereas my Newell is all about function. I absolutely wouldn't add solar panels to my Harley, but wouldn't hesitate to add them to my Newell.
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1986 40' Dog House #86
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08-23-2013, 02:10 PM
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Clint, I see your point having owned a '60 panhead. For some reason I don't have the same feeling about a Newell as I do a Harley though. With the Newell the engine is hidden whereas the Harley it's exposed for the whole world to see. Another thing is that my Harley was mostly for image, whereas my Newell is all about function. I absolutely wouldn't add solar panels to my Harley, but wouldn't hesitate to add them to my Newell.
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You're right Jon. I 100% agree.
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08-23-2013, 02:15 PM
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Another think to look at is everyone is talking about a Classic Newell that has no engine or a blown engine. If it were a newer Newell there would be different thoughts on the idea.
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09-07-2013, 05:04 PM
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Coach 289 '92 42'6" 8V92 Hybrid
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09-07-2013, 05:10 PM
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Maybe even $1,500.00 CDN!
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Coach 289 '92 42'6" 8V92 Hybrid
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09-13-2013, 03:11 PM
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Thats quite the lawn ornament Clint!! was that your pre-newell hasienda?!
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77 38' Newell Coach Repowered from Smokin' V555TA To 325hp 8.3 inline 6 cummins, Allison 3000 series trans
87 40' Newell Coach 475hp 8V92 DD(sold)
22' 350hp Jet Riverboat
79 Ford F250 4x4
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02-14-2014, 12:27 AM
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Paint Job
Well after some extensive body work, I think you can tell what the finished product will look like!! Those boys at Newell sure do amazing work!!
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77 38' Newell Coach Repowered from Smokin' V555TA To 325hp 8.3 inline 6 cummins, Allison 3000 series trans
87 40' Newell Coach 475hp 8V92 DD(sold)
22' 350hp Jet Riverboat
79 Ford F250 4x4
Many others to list
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02-15-2014, 02:35 AM
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Here is a few pics, it is in pretty good shape for a 76. There is a few things to do before it makes the maiden voyage but it is coming along nicely
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77 38' Newell Coach Repowered from Smokin' V555TA To 325hp 8.3 inline 6 cummins, Allison 3000 series trans
87 40' Newell Coach 475hp 8V92 DD(sold)
22' 350hp Jet Riverboat
79 Ford F250 4x4
Many others to list
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02-20-2014, 02:14 AM
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Quote:
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Well after some extensive body work, I think you can tell what the finished product will look like!! Those boys at Newell sure do amazing work!!
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Now were talking!! That would look awesome.......
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Previous Owner of 3 Newell's
Wanted: Newell Coach Needing Engine Replacement!
If you want to sell, PM or Private Message me. Thanks!
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03-26-2015, 02:24 PM
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Well spring is here and its almost time to carry on with the 76 project.
I drove it home from missouri last summer (2300 miles) it ran very well. Easy on fuel and lots of power. It really is fun to drive, and people love it.
If anyone is interested in purchasing this coach, I can sell it as is or finish it for someone the way they want.
It is a bunk model 36ft with 90k original miles on the body, original paint. 6500 watt onan gen. It is in nice shape for its age. The tanks wer pulled and redone and all the basement metal was replaced. It is a very good start to a very nice classic with the sought after 8.3 cummins turbo diesel upgrade and the md3060 allison trans upgrade. All the hard work is done!!
I plan on bringing it into the shop next week to clean up the exterior and the interior after that.
If you are interested email me
Keithfrerichs@hotmail.com
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77 38' Newell Coach Repowered from Smokin' V555TA To 325hp 8.3 inline 6 cummins, Allison 3000 series trans
87 40' Newell Coach 475hp 8V92 DD(sold)
22' 350hp Jet Riverboat
79 Ford F250 4x4
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03-26-2015, 03:08 PM
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Keith, do you have a USD amount in mind?
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