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Old 10-20-2006, 02:12 AM   #1
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Default Things, a Buyer don't have to ask about a Newell

Stick with me on this one. . . and. . . you'll see what I mean !

– With all the Best and Accurate Ingredients, Freshly Baked,
without any doubt. . . it's the Best of the Best !

Let me take another approach ;
– A Newborn in the Family ; from the first stage of production to the completed
masterpiece, continuously, it has been the same unit in progress. . . In reference
to a Newell Coach, that is.

By now, everyone is aware or saw the presumed 2007 $2.5 million coach.

. . . here's my point.
Can you visualize the buyer of this coach when he and his complete neighborhood
realize that his $2.5 million coach 'Registered as a 2007 Was Converted' on a '2005'
. . . 'Yep' a '2005 Shell' ! ? ! ? ! ?
(He just might be eligible for the 'Pricey~Cheap~Cheap~ Screwed' award !)

Actually the Shell was Manufactured in 2004 as a 2005 Shell !

. . . . . . . . . . Worst !
On their website ; 2 brand new '2007 Coaches' Converted on new '2003 shells'
. . . 'Yep' '2003 Shells' ! ? ! ? ! ? (Could they be call antiquities ?)

. . . . . . SSScaaaarrrryyy. . . This is No Halloween Gag !

What else ?
At this same converter. . .
I've counted 13 coaches with 2005 shells listed as 2007 units !

These 'Shells' have been sitting for a long, long time.
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In the first months of 2007, with a touch of their 'Magic Wand' most of the unsold
2007 coaches will become '2008 units'. . . 'Abracadabra et Voila !' – That's what
toke place last year and previous years. . . It doesn't only happen at this converter,
it seems a trend with many other conversion companies. – And then a buyer comes
along buys without examining the serial numbers and drives off, thinking he got a
good deal ! (Screwed, Screwed that is !)
– These are things you don't have to ask about a Newell.

– This type of immoral and wrongdoing doesn't occur at Newell.
. . . You don't have to ask these questions about a Newell Coach.

At Newell, craftsmen build the entire coach from scratch to a completed masterpiece
(A Newborn) custom built to the client's preferences, no 'shell sitting for years' awaiting
a conversion. If you buy a '2007 Newell Coach' you know 'it's a 2007.'
– At many converters, the coach is half 2007 or perhaps 2006 and the other half being a
2005 or 2004 or 2003 ! ! !

Now. . . do-you see what I mean ?
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Are these manufacturing practices immoral ?
Up to what point are they legal ?
What about using a 2 or more year old shell ?
What are the implications ? (Trying to sell the coach, the wear and tear of an older shell)
Screwed, Screwed that is ! 'Yep' I got Screwed with my first motorhome, please don't tell no one.
Do you know certain people that purchase such a coach ?

I just loooove Newells
May God Bless,
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Old 09-03-2007, 01:21 AM   #2
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001 Part TWO
002 Questions You Don't Have To Ask about a 'Newell Coach'
003 »»»»»»»»» But with 'Prevost Conversions' that's Totally Something Else !'
004 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
005 « ~ » This 'Presentation' is for you people looking at Prevosts :
006 « ~ » Is the 'Prevost Shell' a '1998 ?' or . . . '2005 ?' or a '2006 ?' or a '2007 ?' or a '2008 ?'
007 . . . are you Looking at a '2008 ?' or actually a '2005 ?'
008 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
009 « ~ » 'Prevost Shell' & 'Model Year' are rarely the same
010 » 1998 ? » 2007 ? » 2000 ? » 2004 ? » 1999 ? » 2008 ? » 2005 ? » 2001 ?
011 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
012 « ~ » Here's how to identify (You'll Need The 'VIN #') :
013 « ~ » The ''10th' Number' in the 'VIN #' is the year that the 'Coach (Shell)' was produced ;
014 « ~ » For instance : 'VIN #' : 2PCV3349850000000 (fictional 'Vin #' fabricated for this presentation)
015 « ~ » The ''10th' Number' in this 'VIN #' is '5'
016 « ~ » So the Shell is actually a '2005'
017 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
018 A None Existent Situation With A 'Newell Coach'!'
019 « ~ » With a Newell : What you see in the 'VIN #' is what you get ! . . No Hide and Seek Here.
020 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
021 Now this Next Presentation is Accurate I've seen this Coach
022 « ~ » Here's one Case :
023 « ~ » A brand new 'Prevost Conversion,' and the Tenth Number in the 'VIN #' is a '5'
024 « ~ » 'Converted & Completed in February '2006' as a '2007' Model Year ;
025 « ~ » i.e.: A '2005' shell with a '2007' Model Year.
026 « ~ » Even Worse :
027 « ~ » This '2007' Model Year Coach Didn't Sell ;
028 « ~ » So at the Beginning of '2007' this 'Converter Changes' the Model Year of this 'Conversion' and
029 now the exalt same coach (this '2007') becomes a '2008' Model Year ! . . WoW ! ! !
030 This Describe Coach, is still available No Fiction Here.
031 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
032 « ~ » If this Prevost Conversion doesn't sell in '2007' as a '2008' model year (2008 is right around the
033 corner) will this coach have another changeover and become a '2009' Model Year ! . . Why Not ! ! !
034 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
035 So let's recapitulate :
036 « ~ » The Prevost Shell : A '2005' ;
037 « ~ » Conversion up for sale in 'February 2006' as a '2007' Model Year ;
038 « ~ » In '2006' Can't sell this '2007' Model Year Coach, so in 'January 2007' . . . 'abracadabra'
038 and it becomes a '2008' Model Year. . . WoW !
039 « ~ » Next 'January 2008' do you think that this Conversion will become a '2009' Model Year ?
040 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
041 « ~ » I wanted to expose this type of wrongfully practice.
042 « ~ » Not everyone knows about the 'Shell Being' a 'Different Year' from the 'Model Year.'
043 « ~ » It's not the only Coach that had a Model Year change and this is not the only converter that does
044 this type of practice.
045 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
046 « ~ » This said, I Wonder . . .
047 « ~ » Would this Kind of Practice Be Considered as 'FRAUD?' A 'Bad Conversion Dealer' or . . .
048 « ~ » I would sure like to hear from You' All' on this kind of Procedure ?
049 »»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
050 « ~ » As in this presentation, by having an older shell brings a lot of problems.
051 « ~ » Don't Forget, You'll Never See this Kind of Practice with a 'Newell Coach' !
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Old 09-14-2007, 05:13 PM   #3
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» » » » » » Part '3'

Questions You Don't Have To Ask about a 'Newell Coach'
003 »»»»»»»»»»»» 'JUMPING MODEL YEAR'
»»»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««~»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««««
'From A Converter's Sales Rep Own Website'
« ~ » Jumping model years -
« ~ » Several months ago, while on the internet viewing the inventory selection of one conversion company, I
observed a significant number of new 2000 and 2001
model coaches listed. A couple of days later,
these very same models were listed as NEW 2002 models
.

« ~ » This practice of changing the model year on an unsold conversion may be technically legal, but ethically,
is questionable at best
.

« ~ » Standard industry practice allows for a one year difference between the chassis year model and the con-
version. For example, a 2000 conversion will have a 1999 chassis.

« ~ » If there is more than a one year difference, the resale and trade in value is determined by adding one year
to the chassis.

« ~ » Skipping model years changes nothing except the consumer’s perception of a good "deal".

« ~ » Those that fall victim to this type of marketing practice can lose well over $100,000 in value, . .
realizing it only when they attempt to sell or trade their coach.

« ~ » While not applicable in this case, there are extremely rare instances that an older shell may arrive late
and be placed in the beginning of a new year’s production cycle allowing a two year discrepancy.

« ~ » The year of a bus shell can be determined by the VIN (Vehicle Identification Number).

« ~ » Prior to purchasing a new or pre-owned bus conversion, the chassis VIN should always be compa-
red to the conversion year model
to assist in determining the market value.

»»»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««~»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««««
« ~ » So as you can see, among 'Certain Converters,' this kind of 'Free For All' type of year classification
has been going-on since quite a while
.
« ~ » "As you can see, I'm not the only one that is shock with this type of action !"
»»»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««~»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««««
« ~ » It's True, After All It's Your Money ! . .
« ~ » . . . You'll Never Find This Type Of Action At 'NEWELL COACH'
. . . What You See Is What You Get ! . . This is the 'Way A Coach Is Meant To Be' . . . No Other Way !"
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* . . . and By The Way, I'm not 'Associated' in any kind of way with 'Newell Coach''
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Old 09-22-2007, 12:38 AM   #4
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'Certain Converters' are 'Getting a Little Nervous !'
« ! » I guess 'This Topic' is doing what its supposed to do ! . . "If You Know What I Mean !"
»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
H O T ! ~ H O T ! ~ H O T !
« ! » Well I Guessssss So !
« ! » One of These Converters, 'Pulled-Out All of Their 'NEW CONVERSIONS' from their Website !'
« ? » "WELL I WONDER WHY ? . . If You Know What I Mean !"

« ! » From the same 'Converter' for nearly a week they also 'Pulled-Out' their 'USED MOTORHOMES
& CONVERSIONS
!'
« ! » "WELL I WONDER WHY ? . . If You Know What I Mean !"

« ! » . . . and I taught that the purpose of a 'Website' was meant to Publicize and Show-Off your
Stuff !'

« ! » "Well I Guess I'm wrong !"
« ! » I'll need to Update my old 'For Idiots' & 'For Dummies Books !'
»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
« ! » Year end is coming faster than we think !
« ~ » I guess they'll do exactly what this post is all about.
« ~ » i.e.: at the end of the year, the Remaining 2007 & 2008 Coaches will become 2009 Coaches !
« ~ » It looks better that way then having to show 'Conversions that didn't sell !'. . "If You Know
What I Mean !"

»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««~»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' «««««««««
« ~ » Don't Forget : CHECK The ''10th' Number' in the 'VIN #'
A None Existent Situation With 'Newell Coaches !'
. . . What You See Is What You Get !
. . . This is the 'Way A Coach Is Meant To Be' . . . No Other Way !"

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Old 11-05-2007, 04:05 AM   #5
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» » » » » » Here's a Classified Shown on 'rvonline':
« ~ » Description: WOW! We had 10 Brand New XL2's 2007's we decided to "Blow Out" before
the year ends at a below cost price of $975,000. The sale really worked!! Coach #8695 is our last
one
. Take advantage of this incredible wholesale price. Sold as new with all the new warranties.
This coach . . . blab, blab, blab . . .
» » » » » » » » » » » "Is There Something Wrong With This Ad ?"
» » » » » » Or Is-It Just Me ? ? ?
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
« ~ » The Ad States :
« ~ »»»»»» We had 10 Brand New . . .
« ~ »»»»»» #8695 is our last one . . .
« ~ »»»»»» Sold as new
« ~ »»»»»» all the new warranties.
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
« ~ » This last coach is 'New' (sold as new), with all the new warranties.
When 'New', aren't they all 'Warranted Coaches' . . . or am-I missing something ?
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
« ~ » See Here we might have discovered the answer ; at 'Their Website' page :
« ~ »»»»»» Stock: 8695
« ~ »»»»»» VIN: 2PCW3349251028695
« ~ »»»»»» Mileage: 18003

« ~ » Now wait, a brand New Coach With '18,003 miles', 'Do you call that 'New ?'
« ~ » The 'Tenth Number' in the VIN Number is a '5' meaning it's a '2005 shell' sold as a '2007
model year
'.
« ~ » We're only a couple of months away from '2009 Model Year.' Only a few months before the
'2009 Coaches come onto the market !
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
« ~ » At my age, I'm not that fast of understanding ! "Hummmmm" . . .
« ~ » Perhaps I was born that way ? "Hummmmm" . . .
« ~ » Anyhow let's 'Recap' and if I overlooked or neglected something please let me know :
« ~ »»»»»» We had '10 Brand New' not 'Used', no no, 'Brand New' "Hummmmm" . . .
« ~ »»»»»» A '2007 New Coach' with '18,003 miles' "Hummmmm" . . .
« ~ »»»»»» New Coach with all the 'New Warranties' will Detroit & Allison and others endorse
this politic ? . . "Hummmmm" . . . I think NOT ;
« ~ »»»»»» A '2007 Model Year' based on a '2005 shell' "Hummmmm" . . .
« ~ »»»»»» If sold in 2009, the coach will be a New 2007 coach sold in 2009 with a 2005
shell ! WoW !

» » » » » » Ha-ha ! . . I'm starting to understand . . .
« ~ »»»»»» To much mileage for a demo ! Then is-it a second hand coach ? or probably . . . a
leased coach ?
» » » » » » » » » » "Now . . . You 'All Know What I Mean !"
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
« ~ » Well I'm sorry, 'MISTER SALES REP and COMPANY,'
« ~ »»»»»»I DON'T CALL A COACH WITH '18,003 MILES NEW' in any way ! . .
« ~ »»»»»» and A COACH WITH A '2005 SHELL' I WOULDN'T CALL IT A '2007 Model Year'!
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
» » » » » » I Say "ENOUGH, IS ENOUGH !" . .
« ~ » 'You Folks Out There,' 'It's Your Duty As 'RVers' to become 'Watchdogs' (in the best sense
of the word) and 'Warn Potential Buyers' especially 'Retirees' to be 'Very Attentive' and 'Concern'
about 'Concealed Important Details' (From time to time, at a Certain Age, Aren't We All Vulnerable).
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
« ~ » It's somewhat like a sales rep trying to sell a 'Low Mileage Car' that came from the 'New Or-
leans' Hurricane Katrina Floods' and indicating that the Car Emerge from Someone Biblical and the
Car was Pampered and Heavenly Wash ! ! ! . . . ALL BULL ! ! !
» » » » » » » » » » "You 'All Know What I Mean !"
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
« ~ » There's all kinds of sales persons out there ! . . Some have 'Replaced Their Teeth' with 'Tools'
similar to 'Screwdrivers' these are the worst kind, they try to 'Screw Potential Prospects !
Wikipedia : In fact Sales is considered by many to be a sort of persuading 'art'. ~ This is no 'Art' !
»»»»»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««~~~»»»»»» 'NewellClassic.com' ««««««««««
« ~ » No Hide and Seek At Newell, , What You See Is What You Get !' Oh by the way, even their
'Pre-Owned Newells have a 2 year warranty ! "Not bad at all ! . . Not Bad . . . AT ALL ! ! !
« ~ » I'm quite certain that at Newell a coach with '18,003 miles' is call 'Pre-Owned' !
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p.s.: For better understanding, I've enhance certain words of the above ad's description.
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