Coach build numbers needed!

Erika · 02-02-2008, 03:00 AM

Hello Newell Owners,

We are asking all Newell owners who have pictures in the Gallery, if they could provide us with their coach build number along with the year, gallery number, so we can include it in the gallery.

Thank you for your cooperation,

Forum Admin

fulltiming · 02-02-2008, 07:14 AM

GREAT IDEA!!

I will be happy to start it off:

1992 Album #2 and #3 are both my coach (#2 was prior to my ownership, #3 was after my purchase). The build number is 281.

1992 Album #6 is build number 283. I correspond with Larry, the owner of 283 periodically.

1990 Album #2 is build number 242. I had a contract to buy this coach at one time.

1991 Album #3 is build number 277. I had looked at purchasing it and had a test drive in it.

chockwald · 04-15-2008, 02:38 PM

Where would I find the "build #" on a 1982 Newell? I just purchased this coach 6 weeks ago.

fulltiming · 04-15-2008, 06:49 PM

Interesting question. The real answer with your 1982 is 'I don't know' and to the best of my knowledge there is no easy way to determine that information. From 1967-1983 there were a total of 384 Newell's built (I believe). So your was probably from the first 370 Newell's ever built. HOWEVER, a build number was not part of the VIN number at that time and the coach numbers you see posted by owners on this site do not match up with the information I just gave.

Let me delve further into this subject. Newell changed their numbering schema several times over the years. Your 1982 has the advantage of falling into the currently federally-mandated VIN system, which was implemented in 1980. Unfortunately, you are outside the beginning of the second most recent Newell numbering schema which began in 1983 but was only incorporated into the VIN in April 1989 with deliver of the Series 2000 coaches. Beginning in 1983, Newell began an internal numbering system starting with coach 1. However, even that number was not utilized in the VIN. Beginning with the Series 2000 coaches, the last three digits of the VIN corresponded with Newell's internal number, which was 214 at that time. Since April 1989, the last three digits of the VIN have been referred to as the Coach #. Prior to that time, there is not that I am aware of, an easy way to determine a coach number and if you did, it would conflict with numbers used in the VIN due to the 384 coaches built prior to the numbering system begun in 1983.

Now, one further spin on the ball. In 2006, Newell changed the numbering system used in the VIN to account for the 'missing years' of Newell coach construction. During 2006, Newell skipped forward in VIN numbers to get the number in the VIN to match the actual number of Newell's constructed since the first coach in 1967. So, you will find no coaches with VIN numbers between about 816 (that may not be exactly correct but was the preliminary estimate of the coach number change) and 1200 (the preliminary estimate of the first of the 'new' coach numbers).

So unfortunately, those with Newell classics don't have an easily discernable coach # like those beginning with the Series 2000 and extending through the current P200i's.

chockwald · 04-16-2008, 02:36 PM

I found an invoice from The Newell Corporation this morning in the documentation given to me by the last owner. It is the purchase order invoice for the coach back in March of 1982. It has stamped on it "No. 408", and in the upper right hand corner it shows "Invoice #: C-408". Is it possible this is my coach number?

fulltiming · 04-16-2008, 03:52 PM

Possible but it seems just a little on the high side.

chockwald · 04-16-2008, 03:59 PM

Mike...you're probably right now that I look at your coach # which is way lower than 408...OK...I'll keep looking.

fulltiming · 04-16-2008, 04:37 PM

The real issue is that since Newell started their numbering system over beginning at 1 again in 1983, there would be duplicate number from 1 through about 384, then a skip of numbers from from the low 800's to about 1200. As an example, recently Newell had advertised for sale two 2007 coaches, #810 and #1200, although 1200 just sold.

In my earlier post I indicated that the change in numbering took place during 2006, which I believe to be correct, however, I should have noted that it was during the 2007 model year.

If in fact a 'coach number' which could be obtained for the classic models prior to 1983, we would still need to have some alternate designator such as the 'C-xxx' you mentioned since there would be nearly 400 duplicate numbers otherwise. Even finding the coach numbers for the 1983-1990 classic models (I understand that there was at least 1 classic model built as a 1990 model) would be a challenge since everyone has depended on the last digits of the VIN for the coach number since some time in 1989.

HoosierDaddy · 09-24-2008, 04:31 PM

1993 Album 4 is my coach 316. Somebody has hacked in to the comments section of that album....Can you fix?
Dean Stoops

Neweller · 09-24-2008, 04:35 PM

Hi HoosierDaddy,

I will check on it now.

JohnC · 10-02-2008, 11:15 PM

As a matter of note, Newell will skip over the 1300 series of numbers i.e. coach 1299 will be followed in production by coach 1400.

JohnC

zcasa · 10-03-2008, 08:25 PM

Hi, 1992 Album #7 is Coach #303. We don't know where the pic's came from as there have been some updated graphics added to the coach. We'll figure out how to post some updated photos. We have owned the coach for three years now and couldn't be happier.

David and Denise

fulltiming · 10-11-2008, 05:25 AM

Thanks for the information John. As a point of interest, which coach number was the last before the jump to 1200. I thought it was about 815 but I could be off.

David, nice looking coach.

KimnKim · 10-16-2008, 03:22 AM

My 1987 model (built Dec. '86) has a notation on the top right hand corner of each page of the original owner's "Coach Order And Price Schedule" of PL186. Reading the numbering history that Michael lays out ('83-'89), this looks like it could fit...do you agree?

fulltiming · 10-16-2008, 03:37 AM

Kim, I agree that for a coach built in late 1986, number 186 would be a reasonable number starting from 1 in 1983.

EDIT: Based on further investigation, 186 is probably too high a number for a 1987 coach built in late 1986. That number would probably belong to a 1989 model or possibly a 1988 model built right at the end of the model run. I would suspect the number you are looking for is in the range of #120 to #150. Brian (2 Dogs) found #139 marked on the bottom of his engine bay doors on his 1987 built about a month before yours so if his number is correct, yours should be in the 140's.

KimnKim · 10-17-2008, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forum Admin

Hello Newell Owners,

We are asking all Newell owners who have pictures in the Gallery, if they could provide us with their coach build number along with the year, gallery number, so we can include it in the gallery.

Thank you for your cooperation,

Forum Admin

Album #4 in the 1987 section is coach #186.

Cheers

Tom and Linda Schneider · 01-26-2009, 05:16 PM

Hi, I'm Linda Schneider and my husband and I are the owners of the Bud Eisenlohr 1979 Newell. According to the information on the side of our counter next to the door, our Serial # is 351 ORE1O93D22O 9N
Engine # 6VFO38878DET92
GFAWR 1200#
GFAWR 18500#
GFAWR 30500#

Where would I find the build number? I can't find it in all the paperwork I have on the coach.

fulltiming · 01-26-2009, 06:27 PM

Without research by the factory, it is doubtful that the 'build number' could be determined for your coach. Any coach prior to 1983 did not include a build number in the VIN/Serial Number and even the accounting sequence number was not used that I know of.

Being a 1979, it is likely to be in the upper 200's or very low 300's but based on my understanding, there is little way to determine a build number for most of the pre-1982 coaches and it wasn't in the VIN where it is easily locatable until the 1990 model 2000's came out.

By the way, thanks for including the GAWR's and GVWR (there is a missing 0 in the Front Axle Weight Rating). I have been trying to get some idea of the Weight Ratings of various year and size Newells.

Tom and Linda Schneider · 01-28-2009, 07:28 PM

Michael & Georgia,

Thanks for the information on the 'build number' situation. At least I know that our coach is somewhere between the upper 200's - low 300's.

Linda and Tom Schneider
1979 Bud Eisenlower Coach

Brian Long · 01-30-2009, 03:07 AM

Please advise where I can locate the numbers on my 1987 coach. It is in album 3, the blue and silver coach.
Thanks,
Brian